Let’s Consider United State of Washington [Secession]

Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 25 September 2004 | Brad Upton

[Verginius Rufus]

Get some lawyers to work poring over the Oregon treaty of 1846 with Britain...perhaps Washington and Oregon really belong to Canada after all. Or we can tell the Brits that we have changed our minds and will accept the Columbia River as the border (which is what the British wanted).

[Publius]

This "Second Civil War" business began bothering me during the Clinton years, but I thought that the Right would lead the breakup because of President Hillary's trampling of the Constitution.

Now I think you may be right after all.

[bikepacker67]

If the Lefties are so damn smart, how is it that they seem terrified to compete in the free market?

Why do they cower at the thought of a meritocracy?

[Publius]

If a plebiscite were held in Western Washington about remaining in the American Union versus joining the Canadian Federation, the pro-Canadian voters would win by a small margin.

[JeeperFreeper]

God sent the libs a message in Washington with Mt. St Helens. And it's rumbling again. Even libs oughta get the message.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

The educated votes for kerry? (The brain dead welfare zombies and the demented left wing elitists). Kerry will be buried in November, this one is for the Gipper. Bush/cheney 2004

[freedumb2003]

"Ecotopia" but I like your spelling better.

As far as this idea goes -- have at it! But they will get zero US dollars for that time. And zero US federal personnel and no Federal courts, no border patrol, no subsidies, no Section 8, no WIC, no Food Stamps, no nada.

That would be great. Maybe they can convince Oregon to join 'em! The result would make Bangladesh look like Beverly Hills!

[Guard Dog]

If three hurricanes in a row slamming into Florida right before the 2004 election isn't a clear sign from the Almighty that he wasn't pleased with how things went in that state in 2000, I don't know what is.

I feel sorry for God. For all the absudities he's blamed for.

[Mini-14]

Actually it would be a good idea to remove Washington and Oregon (really, Northern California all the way to the Canadian border) from the American defense perimeter.

Bad idea. We would lose our ocean access -- we need at least ONE of those states.

[SW6906]

Publius, as you know, Seattle proper is where the Dem support is and the rest of Washington state is predominantly more conservative - dare I say - Republican. The rest of the state is also who produces all that he thinks are the "weapons" he will use to coerce the rest of the country. Liberal Seattle are the ones who are not happy with a Bush Presidency, but if they seceded, they would have nothing to offer the rest of the world. Jets, software, hops, apples, lumber, energy, etc. are all produced in the "red" parts of the state outside of Seattle.

[Guard Dog]

If the rest of the more conservative, less educated citizens of the United States decide that W is a great leader and he gets re-elected, it's time for desperate measures.

The arrogance and condescension of that statement astound me.

[Stellar Dendrite]

Well, when you have a community in Seattle which propped up this old statue of Lenin, why would anyone be surprised? Washington would overwhelmingly support Lenin if he were the DNC nominee

[Chad Fairbanks]

George Bush wouldn't HAVE to do anything - What this guy is advocating would lead to an internal civil war in this state... one the liberals would not, could not, win...

On the plus side, there would be a lot fewer liberals in this state at the end of it, wich means this state would no longer be in the "D" column...

Go for it, dude!

[Route66]

Why GIVE AWAY anything? Fully half the population of both Washington and Oregon are conservative. Maybe instead of giving up, everyone should dig in and start to fight to take to these states back from the ex-Californian socialists who moved up and took over.

For that matter... Except for certain coastal counties in California, that state is filled with conservatives too. The balance of power still can be shifted and I'm not one for giving any of our states to the radical left.

[Boiler Plate]

"Another recent survey showed that Seattle was the most educated city in the United States."

For the most part so called education only makes you more likely to have an employee mindset and incapable of independent thought. Try reading Robert Kiyosaki's "If You Want To Be Rich And Happy Don't Go To School".

[Publius]

A meritocracy does not take into consideration social impacts, and sometimes the market creates socially undesireable outcomes. Sometimes, liberals believe, the most democratic thing to do is to have the people, via their government, intervene in the marketplace to enforce fairness.

After all, capitalism is a highly selective economic and social system, and many people just aren't cut out for it. We have a social obligation to our fellow citizens to help them out by letting them leapfrog above those who have worked their way up. (Just quoting what you hear in any public school.)

[SW6906]

The idea of a civil war doesn't bother me - our side has all of the guns! ;o)

[atomicweeder]

They control the caffeine? Gee, I didn't know that coffee beans were grown in Washington.

[Tall_Texan]

Now that I can see at the bottom that this dolt is a stand-up comedian, I'll let some of this pass but....

If Washingtonians are so smart, why do they keep electing total dimwits like Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray? Is that part of this great liberal "nuance" that they keep trumpeting?

And if Washingtonians are so intelligent, why did it take them two decades to solve the Green River killings?