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The Conservative Case Against George W. Bush
New York Press ^ | September 22-28, 2004 | William Bryk

Posted on 09/22/2004 5:32:31 AM PDT by Dazedcat

Theodore Roosevelt, that most virile of presidents, insisted that, "To announce that there should be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American people."...........

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To: Just mythoughts

The majority of Americans seem to think they have an affinity for socialism. Let's give them 4 years of it in full strength and let's see if they still like it. People tend not to know how bad fire is until they've been burned. Bush's agenda is not really conservative either. Expansionism, empire building, fighting wars far from our shores, giving away our sovereignty (political and economic) in the name of "Free trade" and "globalism". That sure as heck isn't conservatism.


21 posted on 09/22/2004 5:45:40 AM PDT by Stop_Neocons (Only a fool sticks his hand in a hornet's nest)
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To: Dazedcat

News flash:

This is 2004, a general election, and is Bush v Kerry.

The Republican primary is 2008.


22 posted on 09/22/2004 5:46:01 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Stop_Neocons

Pat, izzat you??


23 posted on 09/22/2004 5:46:37 AM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Dazedcat; Poohbah; mhking; section9; dighton; Zavien Doombringer

Conn, sonar, new troll contact bearing 190. Can't say for sure, but it looks like we hit a paleo from Buchananville...

Could be a paleocon.

Flood the forward tubes, weapons free. Authentication JULIET LIMA HOTEL INDIA SIERRA CHARLIE UNIFORM TANGO ECHO


24 posted on 09/22/2004 5:47:05 AM PDT by hchutch (I only eat dolphin-safe veal.)
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To: Dazedcat

Once again we have an obvious liberal complaining that GWB isn't conservative enough. "truthful for the most part?" give me a break, this article has every half truth available to the liberal elite. If you've been around here since 2001 and can't see through the smoke, there's not much anyone can do for you.


25 posted on 09/22/2004 5:47:11 AM PDT by bad company (What's the font kenneth?)
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To: section9

Regardless, It amazes me that a nation that was built on criticism of the staus quo is so upset over being criticized. Heck, criticism has helped make me a better man. More people ought to accept a little criticism.


26 posted on 09/22/2004 5:47:14 AM PDT by snakeoil (A+Bert)
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To: Dazedcat

You won't get flamed over the story because nobody will bother to read it. Nobody will bother to read it because the premise is stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

The next President of the United States will be George W. Bush or John F. Kerry. If any conservative says that it would be better for John F. Kerry to be President, they are being stupi. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.


27 posted on 09/22/2004 5:47:54 AM PDT by gridlock (BARTENDER: Why the long face? HORSE: Ha ha, old joke. BARTENDER: I was talking to Kerry!)
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To: Stop_Neocons
So be it. When you vote for the lesser of two evils, all you get is evil. Let the people get a taste of undiluted (as opposed to diluted) socialism. The taste will be so unpleasant that they will reject it for all time.

LOL. Currently there is one "evil" to be concerned with and that is the islamofascists. The question is who will best deal with that evil and the unambigous answer is President Bush.

And it doesn't matter who you vote for because even those blindly trudging on the inexorable march toward bigger government and less freedom recognize what you fail to. Freedom and liberty only apply on this planet to the living.

28 posted on 09/22/2004 5:49:07 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (Ask not what you can do for your country, ask the country what it will do for you!)
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To: hchutch

"CONN, SONAR, CRAZY PATRICK!"

"All stop, quick quiet."


29 posted on 09/22/2004 5:49:18 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Numbers Guy

The Soviet Union really was an EVIL empire. That was self evident. Al-qaeda et al. are not fascist in the traditional 1930s sense. The "islamo" part is true. The are Muslims, plain and simple, and they are simply exercising the teachings of their faith to the fullest. What Neocons call "islamofascism" is nothing more than orthodox islam.

As for "homicide bombers", that is a redundant statement. Was Billy the Kid a "homicide shooter" or OJ a "homicide stabber". Suicide bomber is the preferred term when the bomber intends to blow himself up along with his victims.


30 posted on 09/22/2004 5:49:49 AM PDT by Stop_Neocons (Only a fool sticks his hand in a hornet's nest)
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To: Dazedcat

A better question is, why should you vote FOR John Kerry?


31 posted on 09/22/2004 5:50:30 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: gridlock

Sorry. The fifth "stupid" should have been "stupid", not "stupi".


32 posted on 09/22/2004 5:51:00 AM PDT by gridlock (BARTENDER: Why the long face? HORSE: Ha ha, old joke. BARTENDER: I was talking to Kerry!)
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To: Dazedcat
I don't agree with everything contained in that article, but it does point to an interesting trend in U.S. politics these days. One of the things we don't have in this country is a major clash of ideas on a national level -- candidates for the two major parties have gradually converged to the point where they are almost identical in their outlook and political philosophy. If nothing else, this makes for dull, boring campaigns over inconsequential issues.

In 2004, the Vietnam War issue has become the focal point of this campaign for two reasons: 1) there's nothing else for these two candidates to talk about, and 2) the effective, hard-hitting Swiftboat Vets' ads are the kind of thing EVERY campaign advertisement should be.

33 posted on 09/22/2004 5:51:49 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: Dazedcat
For the most part, I agree with you. The question is, who else would you vote for, that still has a chance of winning? Surely you're not suggesting to vote for F'n, simply because W isn't far enough right?
34 posted on 09/22/2004 5:52:27 AM PDT by downtoliberalism ("A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform,")
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I'm in complete agreement with this author, but then September 11, 2001 changed everything and changed the Bush Administration. W ran as an isolationist in 2000, which I liked. It's funny how the murder of 3,000 Americans can change your perspective.


35 posted on 09/22/2004 5:52:54 AM PDT by hallertauer99
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To: section9
Most of the writers over at Lew Rockwell's Web site are not Objectivists, but Christians, often Catholics. Their intellectual heroes are Thomas Aquinas, Ludwig von Mises, and Murray Rothbard, not Ayn Rand, Thomas Szasz, or Robert Heinlein. Their principal failure is their refusal to recognize the danger of radical Islam and its allies in the international Marxist Left. Neither Rand nor Heinlein were as myopic about the threat of their era, Soviet and Chinese Communism, as the lewrockwell.com and the antiwar.com writers are.
36 posted on 09/22/2004 5:53:56 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Dazedcat
Okay. 1. I read this article, it bemaons the many things about Bush that are not conservative, Then, point for point rebuts with "democrat" talking points. I do not know the reputation of your source but it's tone is pessimistic and comes off as being a liberal trying to argue consevative theory and doing a poor job of it.

2. Yes, the President is not a conservative in the old GOP tradition, I wish that he were. I would like nothing better than to see the US return to the Monroe/T Roosevelt doctine and begin over the coming years to extricate ourselves from the rest of the world and concentrate on the western hemisphere. No matter who we elect in the next 50 years that will not happen.

3. The one and only choice for anyone with a drop of consevative blood is Bush. Kerry is weak, spineless, and will have this country groveling before the UN if he is allowed to come to power. I genuinely fear that, God forbid, a two term Kerry presidency will leave this country as somthing we would all be horrified to see. That alone is the reason to vote for Bush. Yes he is the lesser of evils you might say, but he is much much ... much lesser than the alternative.

37 posted on 09/22/2004 5:54:10 AM PDT by Guard Dog (Who fears the wrath of a coward?)
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To: Dazedcat

I to have reservation of GWB, but when compared to Frenchy he is a Godsend. I wish both parties would have put up better candidates.


38 posted on 09/22/2004 5:54:26 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Bandwidth is too good for these (L)users.)
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To: Numbers Guy
"Fascist". Are you suggesting that their philosophy is not totalitarian?

Fascist: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

I am not sure they are really fascists according to the definition. It is really just Islam at its most extreme. To me Islamists is enough and is less of a mouthful. They add the fascist part so as not to seem to condemn Islam - which is perfectly allowed (if not required) here at FR.

The whole homicide versus suicide bomber is just silly semantics. We used to call them kamikazees, but since these guys are not Japanese and apparently the Arab word is not catchy enough . . .

39 posted on 09/22/2004 5:54:39 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Politically, Saudi Arabia is 18th century France with 16th Century Spain's flow of gold and no art)
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To: hallertauer99

Ironically, it was NON-isolationism which, in part, led to 9-11.


40 posted on 09/22/2004 5:54:46 AM PDT by Stop_Neocons (Only a fool sticks his hand in a hornet's nest)
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