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1 posted on 09/21/2004 4:42:24 AM PDT by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975; freedom44

Bump and ping.


2 posted on 09/21/2004 4:44:25 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: naturalman1975

Boy, do they have a death wish.


3 posted on 09/21/2004 4:44:30 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: naturalman1975

If they keep this up it will definitely keep Americans from voting for Kerry. No one in his right mind could hope to be under the Johns when Iran wants to do more with them than to show them off.

"Forewarned is forearmed."


4 posted on 09/21/2004 4:50:48 AM PDT by Spirited
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To: naturalman1975

And some Americans want John FnKerry to go talk to nice to Iran, make friends and have tea!


7 posted on 09/21/2004 5:03:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: naturalman1975

Okay, now we know ANOTHER reason why Kerrry opposed strategic missle defense.


8 posted on 09/21/2004 5:05:02 AM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: naturalman1975

Bump! It's pretty tough to fire your missiles while they are being pounded by smart bombs using GPS, but let them thump their chests for now, as in time it will be their turn to feel the wrath of the EAGLE!!


10 posted on 09/21/2004 5:07:51 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: naturalman1975

I think this is where Indiana Jones calmly shoots the guy wielding the machetes.


14 posted on 09/21/2004 5:13:22 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...)
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To: naturalman1975

Well let's see. They faught Iraq for 8 years, pretty much to a stand stil.

The U.S. obliterated Iraq's military in about 100 days.

Does'nt look like they were paying attention does it?

I dare 'em to mess with Israel let alone the most powerful force in the planets history!

Given the recent stories on the protests in Iran against the Hard-Liners I find it dificult to believe the have the support of their people to commit suicide.


16 posted on 09/21/2004 5:19:58 AM PDT by Allosaurs_r_us (CBS is sending a trial balloon.)
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To: naturalman1975; All

FYI

Shahab-2
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/shahab-2.htm

An extended range version of the Mod B, the Scud Mod C (500 km/700 kg), with upgraded inertial guidance, was subsequently purchased from North Korea and by 1994 Iran may have stocked as many as 200 of these missiles, domestically designated Shahab ["meteor" or "shooting star"]. North Korea also aided Iran in converting a missile maintenance facility into an assembly plant for the Mod Cs. According to some estimates Iran's total inventory of missiles may be as great as 450 Scud B and Scud C missiles, though other [perhaps more reliable] estimates place the inventory at approximately 200 missiles [Gertz 1997a].

On 19 April 2001 Iran attacked a number of Mujahedin-e-Khalq [MEK] facilities in Iraq, including Camp Ashraf, north of Baghdad, Camp Anzali in Jalawla, Camp Faezeh in Kut, Camp Habib in Basra, Camp Homayoun in Al-Amarah and Camp Bonyad Alavi in Mansourieh. A Revolutionary Guards commander said the missile attack against bases of the opposition People's Mojahedin Organization in Iraq was a "warning" to the heavily armed group to cease its attacks in Iran. It was initially reported that Iran fired 56 surface-to-surface missiles at Iraqi cities of Basra, Kut, Khalis and Jelawla. Subsequent reports claimed that as many as 77 surface-to- surface Scud missiles were fired by Iran at seven Mojahedin camps and Iraqi cities of Jalawla, Khalis, Meqdadieh, Kut, Al-Amarah and Basra. As many as 27 missiles hit Basra, one hit Al-Amarah, seven hit Kut, 13 hit Khalis, five hit Meqdadieh and 24 hit Jalawla.


Scud C variant
http://www.missilethreat.com/missiles/scud-c-ss-1d-variant_iran.html

Country: Iran
Class: SRBM
Basing: Road mobile
Payload: Single warhead, 500 kg
Warhead: HE
Length: 11.25 m
Diameter: 0.88 m
Propulsion: Single-stage liquid
Range: 550 km
Status: Operational
In Service: 1993


Details

While the names of most ballistic missiles are obscure, the ‘Scud’ has become almost a household name. The SS-1 ‘Scud’ was designed a short time after the end of World War II by captured German scientists and is based upon the Nazi V-2 rocket which attacked London in the second world war. In essence, the ‘Scud’ is the AK-47 of the missile world: reliable, simple and ubiquitous. The missile was produced in huge quantities and not even the Russians know exactly how many they built, let alone the number copied by foreign companies.

While most ‘Scuds’ carry conventional explosives, the ‘Scud’ was originally developed to carry a 50 kT nuclear warhead. The SS-1B ‘Scud A’ (Russian designation R-11) entered into service in 1955 as a short range nuclear weapon to attack western Europe and was intended to carry a nuclear 50 kT yield warhead. The high explosive (HE) warhead was developed for export to other communist countries in the Cold War whom the Soviet Union was leery of giving nuclear strike capabilities.

The missile is 10.3 m long, 0.88 m in diameter, has a launch weight of 5,400 kg with a range of 190 km (118 miles), and an accuracy of 3,000 m CEP. Many of the missiles remaining in service today have substantially increased accuracy, but they are still not counter-force grade by any means.

The ‘Scud A’ was soon replaced with the SS-1C ‘Scud B’ (Russian designation R-17). The new missile had the advantage of being compatible with a transporter-erector-launcher (TEL) and could thus be deployed quickly and covertly. It has built-in test equipment and is able to aim and fire the missile autonomously, though a separate command and control vehicle typically controls the targeting and firing.

By 1965, the new ‘Scud B’ missile was operational in many European and Middle Eastern counties. In 1973, Egypt fired a small number of the ‘Scud B’ missiles against Israel. Over 600 ‘Scud B’ and North Korean ‘Scud B’ variants were fired by Iran and Iraq between 1980 and 1988. Over 2,000 ‘Scud B,’ and possibly a small number of ‘Scud C’ missiles, are thought to have been used in Afghanistan. The ‘Scud’ missiles used by Iraq during the Gulf War in 1991 were largely the Iraqis’ own improved variant of the ‘Scud B,’ the Al Hussein. There was also a small number of Scud missiles used in the 1994 civil war in Yemen and by Russia in Chechnya in 1996. A Russian report suggests that there were four ‘Scud B’ TEL and approximately 100 missiles in Afghanistan, some with the Taliban and some with Massoud’s forces, and could have been possibly passed to other various terrorist organizations. In 1998, Ukraine was reported to have three brigades with ‘Scud B’ missiles and a total of 55 missiles in service. Libya paraded in 1999 with some 20 refurbished ‘Scud B’ TEL vehicles with missiles. It is thought that this was done with the assistance from North Korea.

‘Scud B’ missiles have been exported to: Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Egypt, Georgia, Hungary, Iran, Iraq, Kazakhstan, North Korea, Libya, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Syria, UAE, Ukraine, Vietnam, and Yemen. Unconfirmed reports between 1996 and 2000 have suggested that ‘Scud B’ missiles have been purchased by Armenia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ecuador, Pakistan, Peru, and the Sudan. These missiles may have been built in the former Soviet Union. It has been reported that as many as 7,000 ‘Scud’ missiles may have been built in Russia and that ‘Scud B’ missiles and improved variants have been built in Egypt, Iran, Iraq, North Korea and Syria. Consequently, it is difficult to identify the source and quantity of missile supplies.

In addition to the very high production level of the Scud missiles, a myriad of variations and additions exist for the Scud platform. Several different warheads were developed for the ‘Scud B’ missiles including nuclear yields between 5 and 70 kT, chemical agents, and conventional high explosives. The ‘Scud B’ is 11.25 m long, 0.88 m in diameter and has a launch weight of 5,900 kg, with a range of 300 km (186 miles) with accuracy of 450 m CEP. A typical ‘Scud B’ takes approximately one hour to finish a single launch sequence.

It is suggested that the SS-1D ‘Scud C’ missile is the same size as the ‘Scud B’ but with a range increase of 550 km (342 miles) and an accuracy of 700 m CEP. The ‘Scud C’ is thought only to launch HE warheads. It is also suggested that there is a ‘Scud D’ design with the same range and weight as the ‘Scud-C’, but with an improved accuracy of 50 m CEP. This missile presumably launches HE, chemical and nuclear warheads.

The Iranian involvement with the ‘Scud’ missile is significant. The Iranian government is reported to have made its first test launch of a ballistic missile in 1988, which was believed to be a ‘Scud B’ variant with a range of 320 km (192 miles) and a payload of 985 kg, developed with the assistance of either North Korea or the People’s Republic of China (PRC). Iran is reported to have purchased a number of Syrian and 120 North Korean ‘Scud B’ missiles. Unconfirmed reports suggest that Iran exported ‘Scud B’ missiles to the Democratic Republic of Congo and Sudan, and that Iran and Syria supported a missile manufacturing capability in Sudan. Further reports indicate that Iran has the ability to manufacture North Korean ‘Scud C’ variants with a range of 550 km (342 miles) and a payload of 500 kg, as well as shared this capability with Iran. The ‘Scud C’ is possibly designated the Shahab 1, though this title might refer instead to the Iranian M-11 variant.

Syria tested a ‘Scud D’ variant missile in September 2000 with a range of 650 km (404 miles), and given previous cooperation, it is likely that Iran is developing a similar version.


22 posted on 09/21/2004 6:52:43 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: naturalman1975

Hoo-boy, I hope we remember this day - what could be more threatening than weapons with our name draped on top?

When push comes to shove, the left will claim there was never any reason to go to war.

When I was little, my mom told me if I closed my eyes, people couldn't see me. That's the left's idea of dealing with reality.


23 posted on 09/21/2004 7:02:51 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: naturalman1975

I love these militant weasels who are going to "crush" us...they always are out there marching around and showing off their weapons: Iran, NKorea, and, once upon a time, Iraq. Marching does not win wars, remember how good the Nazis looked marching down the Champs-Elysee.... All we need to do is wait for the ceremony and drop a :Daisy Cutter" on them while they're marching....


24 posted on 09/21/2004 7:09:59 AM PDT by Former Dodger ((Go W GO! Finish off the US Rats, then the Muslim ones!))
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To: naturalman1975

See ya' approximately November 3, Mullahs. Hope you're ready for the little surprise we have in mind for you.


27 posted on 09/21/2004 7:59:30 AM PDT by ZOTnot (first "LADY?" (Theresa: 'Idiots', 'Shove it', 'Scumbags'). [I'll stick with Laura,please!])
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To: naturalman1975

How do you say "boomer" in Farsi?


29 posted on 09/21/2004 8:22:04 AM PDT by Chapita (There are none so blind as those who refuse to see! Santana)
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To: All
How do you want it Islamofascist?

Regular, Or Extra MIRVed?

30 posted on 09/21/2004 8:29:40 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Hannity Was Right, FReepers Tend To Eat Their Own)
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