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Is 'Rathergate' a Watershed Moment for U.S. Media?
Reuters ^ | Sep 20, 2004 | Arthur Spiegelman

Posted on 09/20/2004 5:33:17 PM PDT by Vision Thing

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Internet bloggers have drawn blood and American journalism may never be the same.

To hear some press experts tell it, CBS's admission on Monday that it was duped into using questionable documents about President Bush's National Guard service during the Vietnam War was a watershed moment brought on by a small army of Internet-based commentators known as bloggers.

Their insistence, from the moment that CBS aired its report almost two weeks ago, that the documents were fake turned the question into a national issue ending with Rather, CBS and the American media establishment in a state of deep embarrassment.

Orville Schell, dean of the school of journalism at the University of California in Berkeley, said CBS's admission of error after days of stonewalling was "a landmark moment for the balance between the blogosphere and mainstream media."

Bloggers were the first to challenge the authenticity of the documents and the first to publish detailed examinations of the evidence by dozens of self-declared experts, some of them with Republican party ties.

"The credibility of the media has taken another hit, especially when you consider the story is not Dan Rather but President Bush's service in the National Guard," Schell said.

That latter story -- that said George W. Bush ducked military service in Vietnam by entering the Guard and then getting special treatment thanks to his powerful father -- has been lost in the welter of complaints about the CBS story.

It was not the first time that bloggers have stuck.

Often working anonymously, bloggers have fanned the flames of controversies ranging from whether Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry deserved his Vietnam medals to whether Republican Trent Lott should remain a Senate leader after praising a segregationist.

Schell and former New Republic editor Andrew Sullivan, among others, say there is a media revolution under way.

Writing in this week's Time magazine, Sullivan said, "The Web has done one revolutionary thing to journalism. It has made the price of entry into the media market minimal. In days gone by, you needed a small fortune to start up a simple magazine or newspaper. Now you need a laptop and a modem."

Steven Miller, who teaches broadcast journalism at New Jersey's Rutgers University, said CBS fell victim to the economics and cut throat competition in television news. "Unfortunately, the truth seems to be taking a back seat to ratings, and this time, CBS got caught up in it," Miller told Reuters.

But Tom Goldstein, former dean of Columbia University's School of Journalism, dismissed the notion that CBS's dilemma was a sign that American journalism has become more sloppy in recent years.

Instead, Goldstein said Rather's report was another example of bad things happening to good news organizations. "They had the best in the business on it, and they got duped and there but for the grace of God go you and I."

Independent network news analyst Andrew Tyndall, publisher of the daily Tyndall Report, said the apparent forgery of the memos alone does not necessarily discredit the substance of Rather's overall story on Bush's service record.

But Goldstein, Miller and Tyndall all questioned CBS News' judgment in going with Rather's report in the first place, even if the documents had turned out to be authentic.

"It's another WMD, another weapon of mass distraction. That's what this whole campaign has turned out to be," Miller said, adding that "somebody out there is trying to keep this running." (additional reporting by Steve Gorman)


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbsnews; forgery; killian; rathergate
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To: Vision Thing
But Tom Goldstein, former dean of Columbia University's School of Journalism, dismissed the notion that CBS's dilemma was a sign that American journalism has become more sloppy in recent years.

Instead, Goldstein said Rather's report was another example of bad things happening to good news organizations. "They had the best in the business on it, and they got duped and there but for the grace of God go you and I."

This is a monumental cop out.

"American journalism" did not perpetrate this fraud. Dan Rather and CBS News did.

The supposed "errors" made during this story would be analogous to a surgeon sharpening his scalpel on the soles of his shoes. Nobody who is supposedly a "professional is that incompetent by accident.

This fraud had little to do with "sloppiness" and everything to do with political partisanship and hubris.

21 posted on 09/20/2004 5:57:54 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Vision Thing
"The credibility of the media has taken another hit, especially when you consider the story is not Dan Rather but President Bush's service in the National Guard," Schell said.

This is from a Professor of Journalism? The guy's very profession has been discredited, and he still sticks to defending the political line of attack. Amazing.

22 posted on 09/20/2004 5:58:00 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Vision Thing
"They got duped and there but for the grace of God go you and I"
...and anyone who is bogged down in the quagmire of decadence known by the misnomer of "Liberalism". This is a delusional paradigm. The only way out is scrupulous, ruthless truth, and this is beyond those who are trapped in the paradigm.
23 posted on 09/20/2004 5:58:06 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: Vision Thing
"Now all you need is a laptop and a modem"

Sorry ace, nice try but no website anywhere documents what it says any better than we do here. Guess again. There is a new sheriff in town and his name is FR. Salute when you see him coming at you. MSM die hards beware.
24 posted on 09/20/2004 5:58:15 PM PDT by rodguy911 ( President Reagan---all the rest.)
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To: Vision Thing
When I think of Reuters now I get a picture in my mind of a lumbering brontosaurus startled by the sudden boom in the distance and staring up at the dark cloud forming overhead spanning from horizon to horizon. It knows something has happened but it's not able to comprehend what it means. Reuters, be afraid, be very afraid.
25 posted on 09/20/2004 5:58:37 PM PDT by Unmarked Package
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To: Vision Thing

CBS did not get duped! They just got caught!! They are trying to humanize it by suggesting that they were victims. Thats bullshit they were the instigators and here they are tying to get symathy.

John


26 posted on 09/20/2004 5:58:54 PM PDT by John_7Diamonds
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To: Zebra
And just think, this story is not done yet, especially if your claim that Rather and Mapes are complicit. They are hiding something, and so the story continues. This case study for both Journalism and Business Schools is still in development.
27 posted on 09/20/2004 5:59:41 PM PDT by Vision Thing
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To: Vision Thing

Thanks for the recap. Haven't been able to listen to El Rushbo for awhile.


28 posted on 09/20/2004 6:00:45 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: Vision Thing
"Schell and former New Republic editor Andrew Sullivan, among others, say there is a media revolution under way."

And these two fat and happy idiots slept through it. The revolution is over. We won. Get used to it.

29 posted on 09/20/2004 6:01:00 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: Unmarked Package
Reuters, be afraid, be very afraid.

New Media, be happy, be very, very happy!

30 posted on 09/20/2004 6:01:25 PM PDT by Vision Thing
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To: Vision Thing

"To hear some press experts tell it, CBS's admission on Monday that it was duped ..."

Duped??? I don't think so.


31 posted on 09/20/2004 6:03:02 PM PDT by hauerf
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To: Vision Thing

Reuters and AP, your days are numbered. We have far more people than you do, we have experts in all kinds of fields, in all parts of the world - and we're not pathological liars. Turn the lights out, makes no difference, you've been in the dark for quite some time.


32 posted on 09/20/2004 6:04:04 PM PDT by guitfiddlist (The Left is smart enough to know the truth, but low enough not to care.)
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To: glorgau
This is from a Professor of Journalism? The guy's very profession has been discredited, and he still sticks to defending the political line of attack. Amazing.

Think it through: First, he's a professor. Second, he teaches journalists. That makes him the anti-Bush2.

33 posted on 09/20/2004 6:05:42 PM PDT by Vision Thing
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To: Vision Thing
Still clueless, even when they think they have a clue.

We're glad they still don't understand how it works.

Reuters still buying into the Hegelian-Marxist Eurosocialist worldview, in which people working together can create nothing. Only the party elite can as the vanguard of the masses and only they, contradictorily, understasnd the inevitable "progressive" "science" of history. It is impossible for them to understand that they are simply wrong, wrong, and wrong.

34 posted on 09/20/2004 6:07:50 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Polybius
This fraud had little to do with "sloppiness" and everything to do with political partisanship and hubris.

CBS News was being sloppy not at being reporters, but at being political partisans.

35 posted on 09/20/2004 6:08:06 PM PDT by Vision Thing
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To: muir_redwoods

Nope,it's just beginning. We have many more battles to fight,before any of this is over.


36 posted on 09/20/2004 6:08:47 PM PDT by nopardons (The pajamsless warrior)
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To: Vision Thing

Well one thing is for sure, CBS are eating crow, big time. We should all send them funky pajamas in the mail!


37 posted on 09/20/2004 6:08:50 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: fat city
Let me see now...

Burkett offered Dan Rather the apple.

Rather suspected it was rotten but wanted to believe it didn't stink so he accepted it.

Rather then proceeded to not only bite into it, but then INSISTED others eat it, too.

Now that the apple has given him an upset stomach, he wants us to share his pain.

Yeah, right.

Rather needs some pepto to go with his worm.

38 posted on 09/20/2004 6:12:46 PM PDT by Kieri (Who's waiting for the return of her beloved Farscape!)
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To: Vision Thing

BMP


39 posted on 09/20/2004 6:13:17 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Vision Thing
Excuse me while I slip into my pajamas.

Ahhhh, that is much better :)

OK, the memos are an old story altogether and there is a whole new story totally missed by everyone. The new story is CBS and Dan Rather are trying to prove a quaduple negative!

They now admit they were suckered by the memo forger but proclaim the forged memos are evidence of their contention that Bush shirked his military duty.

CBS and Rather refuse to admit that there is no there!

Dan, heres a fresh shovel. Did your hole a little deeper.
40 posted on 09/20/2004 6:14:47 PM PDT by NickFlooding
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