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Bang List: What's your opinion of 12-gauge Flechettes?
SABOT DESIGNS LLC ^

Posted on 09/19/2004 10:45:45 AM PDT by SlickWillard

What do you thing of this ammunition?

Is it stable? Accurate? Lethal?

If you were PD/SWAT/Special Forces, would you use this ammunition in an "urban" anti-terrorism situation? [Assume your orders are something like "Maximize terrorist deaths while minimizing civilian deaths."]

Or are flechettes just a lot of fancy-schmantzy marketing gibberish?

Whether they're useful or not, they're certainly expensive. For instance, a single round of Federal 000 magnums [10 balls per shot] costs about $0.75:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product.asp?sku=65647
Whereas a single round of Flechette Sabots [19 flechettes per shot] costs about $2.00:
http://www.antipersonnel.net/sdllc/006.html
So: Any thoughts about this ammunition?

Thanks!


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To: SlickWillard

Fact; Flechettes are not very deadly, certainly not nearly as deadly as a 000 buck ball, but will penetrate body armor very nicely.


21 posted on 09/19/2004 10:52:50 AM PDT by misanthrope (GO BIG "E"!!)
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22 posted on 09/19/2004 10:52:58 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: SlickWillard
The Flechette Shell is mainly intended for penetrating body armor (flechettes are little darts)


23 posted on 09/19/2004 10:53:20 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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24 posted on 09/19/2004 10:53:20 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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25 posted on 09/19/2004 10:53:49 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: SlickWillard
Someone who wants to fight a cheap war.
So what is winning worth? What's the price of a soldiers life if these work better than 000 Buckshot?
We need to let the professionals figure out the answer to this question and then give them what they need. A pencil pusher making combat ordinance decisions. Sounds like sKerry crap to me.
26 posted on 09/19/2004 10:53:57 AM PDT by oldenuff2no (Proud Nam Vet)
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27 posted on 09/19/2004 10:54:11 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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28 posted on 09/19/2004 10:54:32 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: SlickWillard
Those that I made up from commercially prepared flechette and wad/cup assemblies worked very well but I shot very few of them. I did not want to have a lot of tractor tire damage laying out in the field.

Buck shot seems better to penetrate but the flechettes are effective at greater range.

29 posted on 09/19/2004 10:54:48 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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30 posted on 09/19/2004 10:54:54 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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31 posted on 09/19/2004 10:55:11 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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32 posted on 09/19/2004 10:55:30 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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"I was very impressed with this ammo in Vietnam!"

Ditto -


33 posted on 09/19/2004 10:55:55 AM PDT by Bobibutu
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34 posted on 09/19/2004 10:56:18 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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35 posted on 09/19/2004 10:56:38 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: SlickWillard
Double 00 buck would be my choice.

Kills quick, which is what you are after if your shooting something.

If your trying to p/c then simply talk to them and save the ammo. ;)

36 posted on 09/19/2004 10:56:45 AM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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37 posted on 09/19/2004 10:56:56 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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38 posted on 09/19/2004 10:57:13 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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To: misanthrope

I agree. The trauma of convetional shotgun balls is quite extensive. The target will be knocked down, and his inards will be in a world of hurt. At close range, it is like being hit by a car. Rounds may not penetrate, but he is pretty busted up.


39 posted on 09/19/2004 10:57:29 AM PDT by Fee (Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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40 posted on 09/19/2004 10:57:36 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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