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Google Search Reveals Credit-Card Numbers
Yahoo News ^ | Sep 16, 2004 | Pam Baker and Ben Baker

Posted on 09/18/2004 11:04:05 AM PDT by Justice

Consumer fear of identity- and credit-card theft over the Internet continues to escalate. Yet analysts and retailers continue to assert that the risk is minimal. The bigger fear, say analysts, should be of an inside job.

Many of the recent thefts "have been crimes committed by employees of companies that have legitimate access to personal data, that decide to use it for their own gains," Christian Byrnes, senior vice president of technology research services at Meta Group, told NewsFactor.

In an effort to ascertain actual theft risk associated with ordering online, NewsFactor conducted an informal test of the Web. The findings were alarming: Basically, anybody who can use Google can get access to credit-card and personal-identification information.

Testing, Testing 1-2-3

Practically everyone knows that hackers will continue to wreak havoc. That handful of malicious misfits is a very savvy, determined group, against whom retailers and other companies must be on guard.

"Personal-identity information is on computer systems everywhere," says Byrnes.

That being the case, NewsFactor elected not to test hacker tools and security measures on individual Web sites, since both change tactics almost daily. Instead, the test was conducted using basic search engines to determine how accessible personal-identity and credit-card information was to a more ordinary criminal mind.

The first search engine tested was Google, merely because of its popularity. It is important to note that Google is not at fault in this study, as the search engine can only detect data, not judge how it is used.

We Got Your Number

The search request was simple. Using a researcher's Visa debit card, we started with the first four numbers on the card and extended the span of possible number combinations. So we entered in the google.com search window: visa 4060000000000000..4060999999999999.

The result was a long list of Visa card numbers complete with name, address, phone number, expiration dates and a list of recent purchases. In less than two seconds, we found everything a cyber crook would need for one heck of a shopping spree or a fresh new identity.

We found similar results on other search engines using the same number-spread methodology for numerous credit-card issuers, including MasterCard and American Express (NYSE: AXP - news).

NewsFactor urges readers to check and see if your information is listed on these simple searches. If so, you would be well-advised to contact your credit-card issuer immediately and request a new credit-card number.

In the future, it may be wiser to limit your exposure by using a stored-value card, like those issued by Visa, American Express and other companies. Stored-value cards have no value after the purchase is made, thereby limiting their value to criminals.

Do You See What I See?

"Many retailers are offering reassurances [to consumers] by asking for additional information before completing an online credit-card transaction," Carrie Johnson, senior analyst, Forrester Research, told NewsFactor.

But, giving more information may do more harm than good, our researchers found. Among the results retrieved in our Google search, we found links that exposed entire databases, complete with internal company accounting records. Even social-security numbers are included on some of the lists -- not a very reassuring discovery, to say the least.

Bigger Is Better

We found no indication that the larger, more credible, retail sites were the source of credit-card information leaks. Web sites like eBay (Nasdaq: EBAY - news), Amazon (Nasdaq: AMZN - news), Office Depot (NYSE: ODP - news), Best Buy (NYSE: BBY - news), Sears (NYSE: S - news), and many others appear secure. At least, none of the online purchases recorded in any of the credit-card lists we found contained purchases from major retailers.

It was the mom-and-pop shops, home-based businesses, and smaller companies that showed vulnerability, apparently from ignorance or a lack of professional I.T. resources.

"To get around consumer-security and fulfillment concerns, Internet startups and small businesses will have to align themselves with more credible marketplaces like eBay, Amazon, and Yahoo (Nasdaq: YHOO - news). Otherwise, customers will be afraid to buy online from them," Rob Garf, retail analyst at AMR Research, told NewsFactor.

Plug the Hole

In the meantime, Web-site owners may want to employ a few simple fixes to make sure their critical files and their customers' personal information are not so easily found by search engines. Features that mask files from the view of search engines and cloak sensitive databases are an absolute must-have. One simple and inexpensive example is a "robot" file that blocks search engines from accessing specified files on a Web site.

However, sensitive files also need to be encrypted using updated encryption programs.

"Don't skimp on technology and process investments," says Garf. "If a customer has a bad experience, that customer is gone forever."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cards; credit; google; privacy
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1 posted on 09/18/2004 11:04:06 AM PDT by Justice
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To: Justice

this has to be GWB's fault!


2 posted on 09/18/2004 11:07:24 AM PDT by mk2000
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To: Justice

I just tried it and got NOTHING.


3 posted on 09/18/2004 11:12:49 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry deserves to be the last casualty of the Vietnam War.)
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To: Justice

I simply will not place my card number in my computer, any banking info, will not buy over the internet....I am paranoid about stolen identity.


4 posted on 09/18/2004 11:15:07 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: Justice
I just tried this and didn't get any credit card information. I can't get google return the same results as this article indicates, but then again I'm no computer genius.
5 posted on 09/18/2004 11:19:22 AM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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To: Justice

I just did it with the dots included and got enough to be concerned about, but nothing live (links to pages were 404'd, but perhaps in response to the article).


6 posted on 09/18/2004 11:23:08 AM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: onyx

DITTO, nothing!


7 posted on 09/18/2004 11:24:05 AM PDT by maineman
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To: maineman

GOOD.
I tried AMEX too.

I was fully prepared to be shocked and awed.


8 posted on 09/18/2004 11:26:02 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry deserves to be the last casualty of the Vietnam War.)
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To: Justice

Also, to keep in context, your chances of having your ID stolen by the merchant, whether online or offline, are a great deal higher than your chances of a hacker getting to your card numbers (essentially inside jobs, as the article noted).

Both dangers exist, but the ones you have everyday from using your card anywhere, online or offline are greater.


9 posted on 09/18/2004 11:26:50 AM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: MEG33
Yet we gladly hand over our cards to sub-minimum wage restaurant workers who take them into the back room for a while. As this article stated, thefts are most likely to happen from workers who are physically given the cards by the customers.

One day I found dozens of stacks of old, bundled credit card receipts lying all over the sidewalk near a dumpter, dumped by a fashionable and upscale retailing company whose secretary thought throwing them into a construction dumpster on a street was somehow secure enough. Some whino had been rummaging through it the next night and hence they became scattered all over the street.

10 posted on 09/18/2004 11:26:51 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: litany_of_lies

The use of dots means their search engine looks for a range of numbers?


11 posted on 09/18/2004 11:27:55 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad

yes, it looks for a range.


12 posted on 09/18/2004 11:29:23 AM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: Justice

I just put in a string range for Amex and got more than I wanted to see. 142 results, and at least a few looked like they might have live data. Yikes.


13 posted on 09/18/2004 11:35:36 AM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: onyx

I found pdf documents of court cases with credit card numbers and savings account numbers of parties. Damn.


14 posted on 09/18/2004 11:36:45 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Proud FR member since 1998. Proud monthly donor.)
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To: litany_of_lies


I tried AMEX and got nothing.


15 posted on 09/18/2004 11:41:59 AM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry deserves to be the last casualty of the Vietnam War.)
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To: Justice

Wondering out loud...so to speak,

If you do a search of your card#, aren't you putting it out on the net in the most unsecured way.....your card number is now part of what was researched on Google. Doh.


16 posted on 09/18/2004 11:55:03 AM PDT by Smartaleck
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To: Justice

Wait a minute! I just put in exactly what this post says it put in and all I got was a return to about 5 posts from Free Republic!! This is BS.


17 posted on 09/18/2004 11:56:10 AM PDT by mc5cents ("We will have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton)
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To: Justice

I'm not overly concerned. Credit card users have been exposed to fraud and theft for as long as there have been credit card users. I was in retail management for years and fired numerous people for things like copying credit card numbers, selling carbons of cc slips, pulling cc copies out of the trash. Nothing new.


18 posted on 09/18/2004 12:10:56 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: onyx

I typed exactly the following:


Amex 370100000000000...379999999999999

Just did it again. Got 151 hits (must have used 3711 the first time).

Each number string has a total of 15 numbers in it (not the normal 16 for Visa and MC).


19 posted on 09/18/2004 12:23:39 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: MEG33
I am paranoid about stolen identity.

If you deposit $20 in my paypal account I'll give you a guaranteed way to avoid identity theft.
20 posted on 09/18/2004 12:24:42 PM PDT by BJClinton (Donwload "The New Soldier" at http://freekerrybook.org/documents/NEWSOLDIER.pdf)
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