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Serb accused in massacre denied refugee status (Canada)
Globe and Mail ^ | September 17, 2004 | CP

Posted on 09/17/2004 7:17:00 PM PDT by NorthOf45

Serb accused in massacre denied refugee status
Friday, September 17, 2004 - Page A8

Windsor, Ont. -- A Serbian man accused of participating in a gruesome 1999 massacre in Kosovo that involved the killing of 19 women and children was being held in a Canadian jail last night.

Dejan Demirovic, who had been living in Windsor while waiting for his refugee claim to be heard by a Canadian court, was ordered deported this week, CBC News reported yesterday.

Five years ago, 19 people were lined up against a wall and sprayed with bullets in a village in Kosovo. Saranda Bogujevci, who was 13 years old at the time, and four of her cousins survived the attack.

When Ms. Bogujevci heard Mr. Demirovic had applied for refugee status in Canada, she travelled to Canada hoping to bring him to justice.

Now a refugee board judge has ruled he does not have the have the right to apply as a refugee. Serbian authorities have told the Canadian government they want to put him on trial for murder.


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: balkans; bogujevci; canada; kosovo; podujevo; serbia; serbwarcriminal; warcrimes

1 posted on 09/17/2004 7:17:00 PM PDT by NorthOf45
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To: ma bell; DTA; joan

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2 posted on 09/17/2004 7:18:00 PM PDT by MarMema
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Had this guy been a Muslim guilty of said crimes, Canada would have welcomed him with a parade.


3 posted on 09/17/2004 7:25:41 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: MarMema; joan; ehoxha
marmema, we have discussed this case earlier on FR. please click here for the thread

This guy is some lowlife, but the case stinks to the high heaven never the less.

4 posted on 09/18/2004 6:36:13 AM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
Do not rush to judgement...what age was she and she has been able to "properly" ID him? I cast high doubt on her credibility as I am sure the KLA is behind this. If someone digs into her family background and/or the crowd she runs with. I am sure we will find that motive very quickly.
5 posted on 09/18/2004 9:43:03 AM PDT by ma bell (Niti cemo se pokoriti, niti ukloniti We shall neither yield or submit.)
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To: ma bell
Ma Bell,

Let's leave Ms. Bogujevci aside. I have seen her on TV and she is not telling the truth. But I do not know what she is hiding.

I am talking about Serbian "wiotnesses" groomed by Natasa Kandic. Key point to verify:

1. Was Bogujevci family KLA supporter before March 1999? 2. Did they support KLA during the war? 3. Did they started to support KLA after the war? 4. Why they are still in exile in U.K? Whom they are afraid of?

Here is why this is important:

1. Ms. Bogujevci was transpoerted to hospital by Serbian Police doctor.

2. She was treated in the same hospital wing as Serb Police wounded

3. Her father visited her in hospital, without fear for his own life.

This point to the possibility that Bogujevci were killed by KLA and that only after the war.

Second thing, when did the alleged massacre occur? In the morning or during the night? "Witnesses" have mixed script badly.

This is all hoax. Supported by Milosevic regime. DOS regime and ICTY. The question is WHY?

6 posted on 09/18/2004 10:05:49 AM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA

Notice all "witnesses" recant what they allegedly confessed to.


7 posted on 09/18/2004 11:15:26 AM PDT by ma bell (Niti cemo se pokoriti, niti ukloniti We shall neither yield or submit.)
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To: ma bell

correction...witnesses should read "suspects, accused".


8 posted on 09/18/2004 11:15:58 AM PDT by ma bell (Niti cemo se pokoriti, niti ukloniti We shall neither yield or submit.)
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To: ma bell; DTA
I've seen the girl on TV. She has huge disfigurements all over her body so obviously she was shot. It's no hoax. If you're thinking that she was shot by the KLA instead of Serbs, then why would she be lying to defend the very people sho shot her? That just doesn't seem plausible.

It's one thing to doubt the validity of war crime allegations where there is evidence that they didn't happen, such as Racak for example, but here we have a woman with her body all torn up, and Serbian witnesses who claim they saw their fellow soldiers commit the massacre.

10 posted on 09/20/2004 8:01:10 AM PDT by Decombobulator
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To: Decombobulator
We are not disclaiming her injuries, but we are challenging her claim that the Serbs did it.

Do yourself a favor and study up on the KLA behavior. They have no, NO Qualm in killing their own. They have a history of it, deco.

The Serbs do not go around systematically shooting little children or senior citizens unless they are directly engaged as combatents or known to be active.

11 posted on 09/20/2004 8:06:44 AM PDT by ma bell (Niti cemo se pokoriti, niti ukloniti We shall neither yield or submit.)
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To: Decombobulator
>>>>>>>and Serbian witnesses who claim they saw their fellow soldiers commit the massacre<<<<<

This is the crucial element where this story falls apart. Teh 'witness' who accuses Demirovic claims that the crime ocured late at night. He confirmed it in the same interview you watched.

Court documents say it was during daytime, in the morning.

How is this day and night difference possible? Kosovo is not in the Arctic circle.

I guess wintess is lying.

What do you say?

12 posted on 09/20/2004 8:15:43 AM PDT by DTA
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To: mlv123
Thanks for your post. According to Stoparic, police unit arrived late at night in Podujevo. According to Stoparic, alleged massacre occured late at night when he saw alleged perp Demirovic in the darkness.

However, according to other documents, massacre occured during the day.

Btw. there is Disniesque twist, surname Stoparic in Serbian means "Hundred coins".

Go figure.

14 posted on 09/20/2004 6:56:54 PM PDT by DTA
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To: Decombobulator
May I help you with logical options:

1. Massacre did occur and Serb police or rogue element with the police commited murder. However, no one wanted to come forward and testify. Natasa Kandic groomed the 'witness' but chose the guy whoi is not sharpest tool in the drawer.

Perhaps Demirovic is perpetrator, but Stoparic made false accusation of seeing him. He told that it was during the night, while other evidence states it was during the day.

2. Massacre did occur, but the perpetrator was KLA or thugs under command of Rremi Mustapha. There is enough evidence to suspect this is the case:

-Serb police doctor transported Saranda Bogujevci to hospital used by Serb police, in the same wing where police wounded were. if the Serb police was indeed the savage murderous bunch liberal media wants us to believe, saving the life of massacre wintess makes no sense.

Saranda's father visited her in police hospital, without fear of being shot or arrested. I guess Bogujevci were not KLA supporters and had no reason to fear Serb police.

He allegedly run to the woods from the very same police.

After the war, KLA produced Serb Police unit order of battle, allegedly found in Bogujevci house. Only fools and CBS viewer can believe in such thing. Order of battle is not the kind of document anyone would leave behind.

Bogujevci family is still in exile in U.K. Who they are afraid of?

Rrrustem Mustapha has track record of murdering Albanians not sympathetic to KLA terrorist cause.

Natasa Kandic, self-styled human rights lawyer(she has no formal legal training) has tampered with evidence before as well groomed "witnesses". She is the one who cohooted with Jack Kelley. The documentary about Saranda was produced by Carol Off, professional Serb-hater

This case is an excellent whodunit but no one seems to be interested beyond regurgitating shallow accusations.

15 posted on 09/21/2004 7:26:32 AM PDT by DTA
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saving the life of massacre wintess makes no sense.

I agree. The fact that the Serbian police (or army or whatever) brought her to the hospital proves they had nothing to hide and were not involved in the massacre. If Demirovic did commit the massacre, he was acting alone, not following orders. Otherwise the girl never would've been brought to the hospital, but just killed.

Bogujevci family is still in exile in U.K. Who they are afraid of?

Because in the UK they are probably getting more money from welfare in a month than someone in Kosovo makes in a year. Why would they want to leave the UK? The economic conditions alone are enough to make anyone want to stay there instead of returning to Kosovo.

16 posted on 09/22/2004 7:29:02 AM PDT by Decombobulator
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To: ma bell
We are not disclaiming her injuries, but we are challenging her claim that the Serbs did it.

No one is saying that "the Serbs" did it. These murderers are just rogue elements who certainly do not represent the entire Serbian police. It's the individuals who are being blamed, not "the Serbs".

The Serbs do not go around systematically shooting little children or senior citizens unless they are directly engaged as combatents or known to be active.

Maybe the police in general do not, but surely you won't doubt that there are people within the police (or paramilitaries or whatever) who would be capable of such acts when their commander is not looking. By the way, I typed Demirovic in a search engine and I think it is not a Serbian name but a Bosnian Muslim one. Are you sure this guy is a Serb?

17 posted on 09/22/2004 7:32:57 AM PDT by Decombobulator
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To: Decombobulator
I agree as there are rogue elements on each side, but hte KLA is one large rogue element anyways.

Ones who wontonly murder kids, seniors and clergymen should be tried for murder, regardless.

Regards to the name, it may sound Serbian, or Serbian "Muslim" or Croatian, does not make them that ethnicity.

An example is my last name being a pure muslim surname. But, I do not have any muslim ethnicity, as I am 1/3 Serbian Gypsy/Roma.

18 posted on 09/22/2004 8:00:41 AM PDT by ma bell (Niti cemo se pokoriti, niti ukloniti We shall neither yield or submit.)
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To: Decombobulator
>>>>Are you sure this guy is a Serb?<<<

If Demirovic says he is Serb, then he is. Before the violent breakup of Yuygoslavia and civil war in Croatia and Bosnia Yugoslavia was truly multiethnic. An ethnic Serb in Zagreb had more in common with fellow Croats then with Serbs in Belgrade. Likevise, Muslim in Belgrade had more in common with fellow Serbs than with Muslims in Sarajevo.

General rule was that person is what he felt to be, not what his name was. (just like Marine with Arabic name is American)

When the civil war broke out, funny things occured. Many "professional Serbs" were often Croats and many "professional Croats" were Serbs or Muslims.

For example, Frankie Shimatovic was heading Milosevic secret service operations although he was a Croat. For practical purposes, he is Serb.

Yugoaslav AF Capt. Sisic held in captivity in Italy is a Moslem. For practical purposes, he is Serb

Muslim Gen. Divjak was a Serb, for practical purposes he was a Bosnian Muslim.

And so on.

19 posted on 09/22/2004 9:25:53 AM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA

Gen. Divyak and I come from the same city. As for Demirovich, I have seen him, even spoken to him on a couple of occassions. Prior to his arrest a few months back, I had no idea he was ever a cop, let alone a war criminal. He was a very shy and quiet dude. He lived in a condo 5 blocks from me... I think he has a younger sister, not sure though.


20 posted on 12/12/2004 1:30:46 PM PST by Banat ("You've got two empty 'alves of coconut, and you're banging 'em together!")
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