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To: aft_lizard
I did my time.And I have more than made it up through my deeds.You insensitive pr***.

Past behavior is indicative of future actions. If you've done your time and reformed then I'm happy for you, but as a security professional I'm not inclined to trust your judgment in security matters any more than a bank president would trust a convicted embezzler. Sorry if that sucks for you, but that's life.

To call me a criminal is rather ignorant and insulting,...

Actually, it's completely accurate. You committed a crime therefore you are a criminal. Stop me if that's too complicated for you to follow.

... I could probably go out and find articles on this or official documentation.

Which is what I asked for, but you have provided a lot of fluff and allegations, but no proof.

...The same law applies to a largely distributed program.

No it doesn't. Sezeniquote...

The Law of Large Numbers: In repeated, independent trials with the same probability p of success in each trial, the chance that the percentage of successes differs from the probability p by more than a fixed positive amount, e > 0, converges to zero as the number of trials n goes to infinity, for every positive e. (bold is mine)

You have made the assumption that the probability of the success of an exploit is constant between IE and Mozilla. That's a bad assumption, and that's where your confusion comes from.

Mozilla code, for reasons listed earlier in this thread, will have a lower exploit rate, thus a lower number of exploits as the number of installations increases.

As the number of installations approaches the number of installations of IE (and I must point out that since IE in integrated into the Windows OS, the number of IE installations will not decrease until the number of Windows installations begins to decrease.) the relative number of exploits will be lower by an increasing factor.

There are many factors which make IE and Mozilla different, including (but not limited to) quality and age of code, complexity, permissions in the OS, speed of patching, number of bug fixers, and so forth.

I still await any documentation that says otherwise.

49 posted on 09/20/2004 3:47:58 PM PDT by Knitebane
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To: Knitebane
You have made the assumption that the probability of the success of an exploit is constant between IE and Mozilla. That's a bad assumption, and that's where your confusion comes from.

I actually didnt make that assumption. What I said was, and very simply in fact was that the more of something, the more trouble, that is why I specifically negated rates you know, like 100/1 or a ratio of 100 to 1 from my conclusions. Can you argue with the fact that since more people use farber ware knives, they have more accidents attributed to them? I simply cant be more clearer.

I cant predict the variables anymore clearer than you or any other net security guru, that is why I have specifically stayed away from that or tried to make a parallel of progression between IE and Mozilla, that is mathematical stupidity.

Past behavior is indicative of future actions. If you've done your time and reformed then I'm happy for you, but as a security professional I'm not inclined to trust your judgment in security matters any more than a bank president would trust a convicted embezzler. Sorry if that sucks for you, but that's life.

Tell that to the US Army and the US Govt, they were well aware of my past and seem to have no problem with it.

Actually, it's completely accurate. You committed a crime therefore you are a criminal. Stop me if that's too complicated for you to follow.

Seeing as I never was convicted of a crime, just banned from usage in the school system for 6 years and at home via my parents, I fail to make the connection. I mean is Bush a criminal to you? He commited the crime of DUI, so according to you then in fact he is a criminal and therefore not capable of weighing in on certain subjects. Thats a terrible conclusion you come to and it shows us your narrow mind.

I have yet to question Mozillas security, yet you continue to think I have or say I have. SO you keep going on these sidebar tangents that are not in disagreement. Although what can be created by man can be destroyed by man, even with open sourcing which allows a more fluid ability to correct secuirty problems you still will have problems, I have a sensation that you believe that open sourcing is to you the end all be all of code. I dont think it is, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle

50 posted on 09/20/2004 4:21:26 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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