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To: Knitebane
You have made the assumption that the probability of the success of an exploit is constant between IE and Mozilla. That's a bad assumption, and that's where your confusion comes from.

I actually didnt make that assumption. What I said was, and very simply in fact was that the more of something, the more trouble, that is why I specifically negated rates you know, like 100/1 or a ratio of 100 to 1 from my conclusions. Can you argue with the fact that since more people use farber ware knives, they have more accidents attributed to them? I simply cant be more clearer.

I cant predict the variables anymore clearer than you or any other net security guru, that is why I have specifically stayed away from that or tried to make a parallel of progression between IE and Mozilla, that is mathematical stupidity.

Past behavior is indicative of future actions. If you've done your time and reformed then I'm happy for you, but as a security professional I'm not inclined to trust your judgment in security matters any more than a bank president would trust a convicted embezzler. Sorry if that sucks for you, but that's life.

Tell that to the US Army and the US Govt, they were well aware of my past and seem to have no problem with it.

Actually, it's completely accurate. You committed a crime therefore you are a criminal. Stop me if that's too complicated for you to follow.

Seeing as I never was convicted of a crime, just banned from usage in the school system for 6 years and at home via my parents, I fail to make the connection. I mean is Bush a criminal to you? He commited the crime of DUI, so according to you then in fact he is a criminal and therefore not capable of weighing in on certain subjects. Thats a terrible conclusion you come to and it shows us your narrow mind.

I have yet to question Mozillas security, yet you continue to think I have or say I have. SO you keep going on these sidebar tangents that are not in disagreement. Although what can be created by man can be destroyed by man, even with open sourcing which allows a more fluid ability to correct secuirty problems you still will have problems, I have a sensation that you believe that open sourcing is to you the end all be all of code. I dont think it is, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle

50 posted on 09/20/2004 4:21:26 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)
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To: aft_lizard
Can you argue with the fact that since more people use farber ware knives, they have more accidents attributed to them?

You must have made that assumption if you believe that the Law of Large Numbers applies.

Tell that to the US Army and the US Govt, they were well aware of my past and seem to have no problem with it.

Somehow I don't think they let you work in information security. I know that the organization that I work for wouldn't hire someone with your background.

Seeing as I never was convicted of a crime, just banned from usage in the school system for 6 years and at home via my parents, I fail to make the connection. I mean is Bush a criminal to you? He commited the crime of DUI, so according to you then in fact he is a criminal and therefore not capable of weighing in on certain subjects. Thats a terrible conclusion you come to and it shows us your narrow mind.

Please go look up "straw-man argument" and then reflect on the concept that using it is not a valid argument.

And by the way, it's not about whether or not you are convicted, it's whether or not you committed the crime.

I have yet to question Mozillas security, yet you continue to think I have or say I have.

Let's reflect, shall we?

Post 13: Sorry but the fact remains that if Mozilla was the number one software we would all be bitching about security problems, popups and other annoyances. Not to mention since Mozilla is open source, its hard not to argue that since the coding is open that it is easier to crack and infect. So tell me again why its safer other than it has fewer users?

Post 26: Firefox was the number one browser with 95% of the market would it or would it not have as many issues as IE when it comes to ceratain security problems ie; pop-ups, spy-ware,mal-ware,hijack-ware?

You were saying?

Although what can be created by man can be destroyed by man,...

Agreed.

...even with open sourcing which allows a more fluid ability to correct secuirty problems you still will have problems,...

True, just fewer of them.

I have a sensation that you believe that open sourcing is to you the end all be all of code.

Nope. But I'd rather see Open Source used unless a good technical or business argument be made against it. Open Source, like open government, allows users to have some control of what's going on. Even a user that has no coding experience could hire someone to audit open code, something that is not allowed under closed source licenses.

Here's an essay (with a bevy of links) as to why.

51 posted on 09/20/2004 4:43:49 PM PDT by Knitebane
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