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September showdown in the Bronx : Red Sox vs. Yankees (Live Thread)
NY Daily News ^ | September 17, 2004 | Mike Lupica

Posted on 09/17/2004 8:27:59 AM PDT by presidio9

This is the kind of September we are supposed to have with the Yankees and the Red Sox. This is the way it is supposed to be, a series like this at the Stadium this weekend, then another one next weekend at Fenway Park. It wasn't supposed to be as easy as the Red Sox made it look in April. It wasn't supposed to be the kind of knockout punch the Yankees threw at Boston at the end of June, that three-game series when Derek Jeter, in addition to everything else, seemed to have taught himself how to fly.

It wasn't supposed to be the Yankees ahead by 10-1/2 games in August, as giddy as that made everybody around here feel, when the Red Sox were declared dead, and gone, again.

This, tonight at the Stadium, is the way it is supposed to be:

El Duque Hernandez with the ball in the top of the first tonight, trying to kick his leg to the upper deck and duck his head behind his shoulder and throw one of those breaking balls that starts out by Ruppert Place past Johnny Damon of the Red Sox.

Maybe last year isn't as good as the Yankees vs. the Red Sox could ever be. Because after everything that has happened between Game 7 last October and now, the sides are still even.

"A showdown in the Bronx," is the way Damon described this series the other night.

It is all of that.

It is not the kind of all-in, knockout baseball it used to be in the old days, the way it was in September of 1978, when it was the Yankees trying to come from way back in the pack. Barring a total collapse by the Red Sox - and it is hard to see them collapsing after the kind of good, clean hardball they have played lately - you can almost book both teams making the playoffs.

So no matter which of these two teams wins the American League East, it looks as if we will be right where we were a year ago after the regular season, hoping to get both of them through the first round, and into another series with a trip to the World Series on the line. Where it will be all-in, knockout baseball. Where everything could come down to one swing of the bat, the way it did with Aaron Boone, on the night when he finally ended the greatest Yankee-Red Sox season of them all.

But you have to know this: The Yankees don't want to blow the biggest regular-season lead they have ever blown. The Yankees do not want the Red Sox to come back from 10-1/2 behind on the 15th of August to win the AL East, whether they know they've got the safety net of the wild card or not. Because in their minds, they would be carried into October on a stretcher.

For now, we get these six games, starting with the ball in El Duque's hand tonight. Where would the Yankees be without him? Second place, is where. The big fat lead would be gone already. Alex Rodriguez was supposed to be the difference between the Yankees and the Red Sox this season. We've got him, Yankee fans crowed. They don't. That was the first time the season was declared over, back in February, when it was announced that the Yankees had made a deal with the Rangers for A-Rod.

Only he has not been the difference. Somehow, even as he has hung up fairly gaudy numbers, even with the richest contract in the history of sports, A-Rod has just been one of the stars on the Yankees this season. Just not the biggest. The Yankees are still ahead because Gary Sheffield has been the kind of batting star A-Rod was supposed to be. And because El Duque, with all his spin and mystery intact at whatever age he really is, remains one of the great big-game Yankee pitchers of them all.

Now he gets the biggest game he has had in a while, at least until he gets to the playoffs.

"[The Red Sox] are still trying to catch us," Derek Jeter said.

Only for about 900 years.

But for now, the two teams are as close as they could be. In the last two seasons, counting the 2003 postseason, the Yankees and Red Sox have played 39 games. Thirty-nine. The Red Sox have won 20 and the Yankees have won 19. All those games, and really only one swing from Boone separating them.

The Red Sox don't go away. They made their run and now the Yankees have won eight of their last 10. There is a great wild-card race in the National League East. But this is something different. This is the Yankees against the Red Sox. The season started with all those games between them in April. Now here we are again, 11 months, exactly, from Aaron Boone.

Curt Schilling is with the Red Sox now, Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte are gone from the Yankees. Nomar Garciaparra is gone from the Red Sox. The Red Sox tried to cut Manny Ramirez of Washington Heights to get A-Rod and now Ramirez might be MVP. The Yankees got A-Rod. We get the September we wanted. It is the September we always want. Somehow, the sides are still even.


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To: presidio9
"....Rodriguez had just been hit by a pitch and was headed up the first baseline...."

Runnin' his mouth all the way, too - bet he won't do THAT again.

41 posted on 09/17/2004 9:40:17 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Your response was weak. There is nothing Rodriguez could have said that warranted a sucker punch (with a catcher's mitt no less -how queer is that?). Bottom line, Veritek stays at the plate, this incident never happens. I am all for teamates defending their pitchers, but Rodriguez was clearly on his way to first.

Again, I hate baseball fights. My point is that the idea that Veritek is some sort of tough guy beacuse of this incident is laughable. Nothing could be further from the truth.

42 posted on 09/17/2004 9:41:39 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Psalm 73
Why does A-Rod pick a fight with someone wearing a catchers mask - not the sharpest tool in the shed, eh?

He didn't Veritek came after him, because he is a punk. Look at the photo.

43 posted on 09/17/2004 9:43:06 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

My sentiments exactly.


44 posted on 09/17/2004 9:45:40 AM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: presidio9

And I never claimed he was a tough guy. I just don't think A-Rod is all that tough either.

A-Rod has a tendency to run his mouth a lot, and it finally caught up with him. Both of them paid the price for this incident, too.

And no, it's not true that Varitek sid to A-Rod "We don't throw at .260 hitters", thereby setting off a-rod. That is only a rumour. Funny, but only a rumour. ;0)


45 posted on 09/17/2004 9:46:15 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: nutmeg

Don't know about A-Rod, but George definitely is a Bush supporter as are the Wilpons and many others,


46 posted on 09/17/2004 9:47:54 AM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: nutmeg

Don't know about A-Rod, but George definitely is a Bush supporter as are the Wilpons and many others,


47 posted on 09/17/2004 9:49:49 AM PDT by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: presidio9

So, why would A-Rod, being the upstanding guy that you claim him to be, get in a cussing match with Varitek, then say to him "Let's Go!"?

Did he mean "Let's go out for a couple of beers and talk about this like gentlemen, and have a few laughs"? Or did he mean "Ok, that's it. Let's go. Right now, me and you. Bring it."???


48 posted on 09/17/2004 9:52:15 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: presidio9
Has anybody ever noticed when J. F. Kerry announced on midnight after Bush's speech at the Republican Convention that there is good news.
Good news he said, that the red Sox are now only two and a half games behind.
Kerry couldn't even get that one right, but none of the designated Kerry fans noticed.
The Sox were actually three and one half games behind.
49 posted on 09/17/2004 9:59:38 AM PDT by hermgem
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To: Chad Fairbanks

You keep missing the point, which is that if Veritek had any balls at all he would have taken the helmet and mask off.


50 posted on 09/17/2004 10:00:57 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Chad Fairbanks


BTW, Rodriguez is batting .290 with 33 homers. Veritek is batting .260 away from Fenway. His average against the Yankees is .230 I guess that means the Yanks won't be throwing at him, right?


51 posted on 09/17/2004 10:03:18 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

Why? Are there "rules" to fighting now? I'll tell ya what... They get in an argument, cussing each other, and then A-Rod says "Let's go!"... at that point, what? Varitek takes a few minutes to remove his helmet, padding, etc... while a-rod waits patiently? Hell no. A-Rod wanted a fight right then, and Varitek gave him one.

Too bad, so sad. Two grown children fighting. It's still stupid. However, I will never denigrate a guy who uses whatever advantage they can get in a fight. It's not cowardice - Cowardice would be running away. As I said, there are no rules in fighting - you fight to win. Period.


52 posted on 09/17/2004 10:03:40 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: presidio9

Well, I was just making a point - the pitcher has a bit of a control problem on occasion. I seriously doubt it was an intentional hit. If that had been Jeeter, I am almost absolutely certain that Jeeter would have just made his way to first base and not given it another thought.

A-rod was a spoiled brat when he was here in Seattle, and he certainly hasn't changed any...


53 posted on 09/17/2004 10:06:05 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

The rules of fighting are that the first guy to throw a punch is the instigator.


54 posted on 09/17/2004 10:07:03 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Did you watch the game? Rodriguez was on his way to first. Veritek went after him.


55 posted on 09/17/2004 10:07:47 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
"Nothing will bring me more pleasure than those remote camera shots of depressed patrons at Who's On First? on Yawke Way as the Sox make their final out."

Nothing will give me more pleasure then watching George blowing up and firing everone in sight when the Yankees don't win the WS.

56 posted on 09/17/2004 10:08:38 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (I've been freeping for 14 % of my life?)
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To: presidio9

I believe them both to be in the wrong... So what? Two overgrown ego-inflated children acting like it's an elementary school playground.

Both apparently wanted a fight. Saying "Let's Go" to someone during an argument can also be considered "instigating" or "Fighting Words".

Bottom line? They both got into it, and they both paid the price for it. But, you can keep claiming that A-Rod is an innocent victim all you want. It won't change the facts though.


57 posted on 09/17/2004 10:09:04 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: presidio9

A-Rod was on his way to first, talking trash and threatening the pitcher.

Apparently YOU didn't watch the game.


58 posted on 09/17/2004 10:09:40 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (John Kerry is still facing pajama-clad warriors, and receiving self-inflicted wounds...)
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To: #1CTYankee

As long as the Sox lose, I really don't care who wins.


59 posted on 09/17/2004 10:13:25 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Given the history of these two teams, and especially Martinez, who is unable to beat the Yankees so he throws at them, it is understandable that Arod would be pissed. He did not charge the mound. Veritek is the instigator. He is not a tough guy.


60 posted on 09/17/2004 10:14:43 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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