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1 posted on 09/17/2004 7:56:39 AM PDT by presidio9
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The disgusting new york times is using the same tactics they used to defeat America in Vietnam 30 years ago. John F'n Kerry led that treachery. America is getting a repeat performance. Let's hope voters are smarter today.


26 posted on 09/17/2004 8:12:52 AM PDT by NetValue (They're not Americans, they're democrats. They hate the US Constitution.)
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This is Bush's Vietnam

This is me vomiting.

27 posted on 09/17/2004 8:13:55 AM PDT by Repairman Jack
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>>Although he died bravely, Lieutenant VandeGeer's death was as senseless as those of the 58,000 who died before him in the fool's errand known as Vietnam.

This statement is disgusting. I'm sure the mother of the soldier who is the focus of this story unfortunately feels her son's death was senseless but did the author of this article check with the other 57,999 mothers to verify how they felt. /rhethorical


33 posted on 09/17/2004 8:17:37 AM PDT by MrConfettiMan (I hate the word blog. The MSM is not MS.)
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LOL. The New York Times, seeking to smear Bush, accidentily stumbles upon Arlington Cemetary. Bets they had to look it up on MapQuest?


34 posted on 09/17/2004 8:18:01 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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One moment please......RAAAAAPLH.....now I feel better.
So much that's just plain wrong with this I really don't know where to start.
Let's start out with, this is not Viet-Nam. Unlike that war anyone with an IQ 4 points higher than a flatworm knows why we went into Iraq(hint it had very little to do with WMD).
It sounds like someone wants to return to the 60s
37 posted on 09/17/2004 8:24:09 AM PDT by Valin (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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We've already won the war against Hussein. This is now a war on terroism, which we've been told would be a long war. There is no comparison between Iraq and Vietnam, none, nada, zero!!


40 posted on 09/17/2004 8:31:02 AM PDT by marvlus
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Knowing what a hotbutton, and a still-festering wound, the Vietnam War was for most Americans, the mainstream media is all so eager to hammer home this analogy.

The difference between Iraq and Vietnam, or one of many differences I should say, is that we've had 1,000 soldiers die in Iraq. In Vietnam, we lost as many as 2,000 a month.

Get a perspective, NYT!


42 posted on 09/17/2004 8:31:13 AM PDT by tdadams (The only lies 'Unfit for Command' contains are the direct quotes of John Kerry)
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Ho Humm! Another hate GW article from the house organ of Gay Activist pretending to be journalists, the NY Slimes.


50 posted on 09/17/2004 8:38:39 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop lying to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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Iraq is another Vietnam?  Notwithstanding 57,000 fewer American dead, no nuclear Soviet Union or China in the neighborhood, and no army of three million insurrectionists under the banner of worldwide socialist revolution, yeah right, on what planet is Iraq another Vietnam.
52 posted on 09/17/2004 8:40:52 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Member of the Pajamanistas for over a whole month now!)
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Candidate Kerry excoriates President Bush because a little over 1,000 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq. But in 1971 he wasn't nearly as concerned about the life or death consequences of actions he promoted himself.

When John O'Neill debated him on the Dick Cavett show on June 30 of that year this exchange occurred according to Unfit for Command:

So 1,000 deaths in Iraq qualifies it as a quagmire in Kerry's view, but 5,000 deaths is so small a price a pay that it is "lunacy" to consider that as a reason for not pulling out of Viet Nam!

For what it is worth the actual number of deaths occurring after America pulled out was closer to 3.5 million! (Can we afford to elect a President with judgment this poor?)

I doubt that Kerry cares as much as President Bush for the loss of lives in Iraq; Kerry's only purpose for mentioning the numbers is to advance his hypocritical campaign. But as sorry as we are for every soldier who has lost his life or been wounded in Iraq, we honor them for the noble work they are doing in that country. John Kerry's complaints does them great disservice, and is just one among many things that disqualifies him from being our next Commander in Chief.

53 posted on 09/17/2004 8:41:53 AM PDT by HoustonTech (Remember 9/11. Vote for Strength. Vote for Bush.)
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Dear Mr. Herbert,
I see you are taking the same tack as your hero John Flippin' Kerry. The longer you and your ilk browbeat, mischaracterize and slander the Brave Fighting Soldiers in Iraq and their CIC, the longer it will take to win this war and bring those Soldiers home. You and Walter Cronkite, John Kerry and Jane Fonda did it back in the early seventies and you're trying to do it again today. I'll have no part in your treasonous non support of the war effort and furthermore you can kiss my proud American @ss!

Regards,
Liberty


54 posted on 09/17/2004 8:42:06 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Pajama futures are lookin' pretty good)
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These are precisely the same style of "reporting" and commentary that were used by the leftist media to defeat the U.S. three decades ago. They are hoping they can once again demoralize and discourage enough of the citizenry to force a retreat and abandonment of the war effort. Back then when I read this stuff it worked pretty much as the writers intended. Today when I read it I go to the internet and start searching for sites reporting and analyzing the war to get multiple viewpoints from people both here and in Iraq.

And guess what? I find that the people who write this defeatist tripe are lying through their teeth. The war is going well. The terrorists are still confined to 3 or 4 hotspots. They are indeed becoming more proficient in their tactics (practice makes perfect) but are still taking heavy losses. The vast majority of Iraqis do not support the Baathist die-hards and hate the foreign terrorists that have infiltrated into the country since major operations ended. Of course they want the fighting to stop. But they don't want a return of the Baathist regime or the establishment of an Islamofascist theocratic despotism.

Our troops are not suffering from lowered morale or discouragement and aside from the normal desire to get this over with and back home their main complaint seems to be that they haven't been allowed to go in and clean out the terrorist enclaves. But they uniformly report that they have the situaion under control and rebuilding is proceeding apace.

This war, like all wars, has its good days and bad. But the trend is overwhelmingly in our favor and will remain so as long as the people of this country maintain their determination and resolve.

The leftist media is the gravest enemy we face in this war. The term "enemy" is quite accurate.


56 posted on 09/17/2004 8:44:51 AM PDT by scory
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And the NYT is still the left's last bastion of liberal propaganda...
We never lost a battle in Viet Nam and have never lost a battle in Iraq!

And if not for Kerry, Fonda and their ilk, the commies would have surrendered in Viet Nam in '71.
And that's the bottom line!

Kerry lied
and good men died!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


63 posted on 09/17/2004 9:02:58 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi Travis,http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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I am sorry for Lieutenant VandeGeer's death and he is a REAL HERO

BUT HE VOLUNTERED DID HE NOT?


64 posted on 09/17/2004 9:03:57 AM PDT by crushelits
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Not only did we leave Vietnam under the umbrella of a treaty, which gave us the right to fly B-52's over Hanoi and begin where we left off in December 1972. They most definitely did not want that. But they saw that our ability to do anything was neutered by the Watergate crisis, and our position was destroyed by a DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED CONGRESS which refused to approve any money to guarantee the success of a deterrent threat. When the NV saw that, the blood was in the water, and the fall of the South was only a matter of time. And then the bloodbath began.


67 posted on 09/17/2004 9:28:28 AM PDT by rlmorel
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bump


68 posted on 09/17/2004 9:31:33 AM PDT by foreverfree
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It's unfortunate that we lose soldiers instead of journalists...


69 posted on 09/17/2004 10:03:25 AM PDT by talleyman (Dan Rather is the love child of Josef Stalin & Matta Hari and James Carville is a space alien - E.T.)
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The only comparison that can be made of Vietnam and Iraq is in the reporting by the media/press

I have no doubt Uncle Walter is proud of them

Personally these people make me sick

72 posted on 09/17/2004 8:59:41 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
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