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1 posted on 09/16/2004 12:24:32 PM PDT by Aggie1
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He washed out of basic training, therefore was never a marine.


2 posted on 09/16/2004 12:26:02 PM PDT by cynicom (<p)
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To: Aggie1

Rather washed out of Marine basic training.


3 posted on 09/16/2004 12:26:27 PM PDT by Lunkhead_01
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I have no information about rather and military service, give me a minute. I can make some...Will fax to Kinkos ASAP.
4 posted on 09/16/2004 12:26:57 PM PDT by Moon Puppy
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The only thing "marine" about Dan Milhous Rather is gull crap on his head.


5 posted on 09/16/2004 12:27:03 PM PDT by N. Theknow (N. Theknow: Proud Charter Member - Vast Right Wing Googling Pajama Monkeys)
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An old maroon, maybe...


6 posted on 09/16/2004 12:27:19 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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Larry Elder was on this yesterday. Washed out of USMC basic, came back and tried again and washed out again. Thus having "joined the military twice."


7 posted on 09/16/2004 12:28:46 PM PDT by BFO
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Expert: Dan Rather Exaggerates Military Record

Wes Vernon,
NewsMax.com

Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2002


One of the nation’s top military researchers is angry that CBS News anchorman Dan Rather continues to exaggerate and make misleading statements about his military record.
The researcher, B.G. Burkett, says that Rather’s inaccaurate statements about his military service can be found in the new hit book "Bias,” written by veteran CBS reporter Bernard Goldberg.

Burkett, co-author of the book "Stolen Valor,” a history of the media’s portrayal of the Vietnam conflict, says he’s tired of Rather’s double-talk and hypocrisy.

Case in point are Rather’s claims in "Bias.” Goldberg's book details a confrontation he had with Rather over the anchorman's compulsive liberal bias.

Goldberg recounts that when he told the network star in 1996 of his upcoming Wall Street Journal op-ed piece citing a specific CBS News report as an example of left-wing bias, Rather replied he was "getting viscerally angry about this.”

"Angry I was expecting,” Goldberg tell his readers. "What came next, I wasn’t.

"Rather’s voice started quivering, and he told me how in his young days, he had signed up with the Marines – not once, but twice!”

This is not the first time Rather has hid behind the flag and his own military service claims to deflect criticism of his reporting, Burkett said.

Burkett added that Rather is greatly exaggerating his record. First, Burkett says, Rather "misspoke” when he claimed he signed up for the Marines twice. He didn’t.

And Burkett is flabbergasted that Rather continues to proudly describe himself as a "Marine.”

"What he did, he signed up for the military twice, not the Marines,” Burkett said after thoroughly reviewing Rather’s military records.

But Burkett notes that Rather "never got through Marine recruit training because he couldn’t do the physical activity.”

Rather 'Unfit'

As Burkett explains in "Stolen Valor," Rather "was discharged less than four months later on May 11, 1954 for being medically unfit.” As a boy, Rather had suffered from rheumatic fever.

"This is like a guy who flunks out of Harvard running around saying he went to Harvard,” Burkett said.

Burkett also believes that, far from being a gung-ho military enlistee, Rather’s record shows he deftly avoiding entering the military during the Korean War.

Burkett says that Rather was a student at Sam Houston University at a time during the Korean War when "you could be drafted right out of college,” with deferments available only short term, for a semester.

"The way he got around being eligible for the draft was he joined a reserve unit – Army reserve but not the Marines.” Rather stayed in the reserve for the entire war.

"The second the Korean War was over, and he wasn’t in jeopardy anymore, he dropped out of the Army Reserve. He later graduated from college, and then went into the Marine Corps. So he signed up for the Marine Corps once,” Burkett said, not twice.

Rather knows he is skirting the truth about his record, Burkett believes. "He’s made such a big deal out of this ‘I’m a Marine’ thing. I mean, to a real Marine, you’re not a Marine – I mean even though you swore an oath and you’re technically on the payroll, you’re not a real Marine until you get out of basic training. And he never got out of recruit training.”

During Rather’s angry confrontation with Goldberg, the author of "Bias” says that "to his credit,” the anchorman emphasized that his Marine service was during "peacetime” so that "he was trying not to sound like some kind of war hero.”

Still, Rather never disclosed that his Marine service never got him past basic training.

Meanwhile, Burkett is miffed that Rather led media criticism of former Vice President Dan Quayle’s military record during his White House campaign.

"This is the same national broadcaster who, night after night during the 1988 presidential campaign, hammered Republican presidential candidate Dan Quayle for avoiding Vietnam by joining the National Guard,” he said.

"CBS was particularly heavy on Dan Quayle and his Guard experience. … It’s exactly the same thing Dan Rather did during the Korean War.

"If I had been in Rather’s position,” added Burkett, "I wouldn’t even have ever brought up the Marine Corps.”

Burkett has tracked Rather’s claims for years. In "Stolen Valor,” Burkett investigated a CBS TV documentary, "The Wall Within,” hosted by Rather.

The thrust of Rather’s report was that hordes of Vietnam veterans were dysfunctional, mentally disturbed or harbored guilt because their superiors had forced them to kill Vietnamese civilians.

Burkett did his own investigation and found that this was all hype. And while he was at it, he looked up Rather’s own military history. So determined was he that the story be put in perspective that Burkett ended up collaborating with ABC on a "counter documentary” on that network’s "20/20.”

This attempt to set the record straight won "20/20” a Cine Award, a significant honor within the industry.

"We attacked Rather’s documentary as being a bogus piece of work,” Burkett recalled to NewsMax.






And if Rather never made it out of recruit training(boot camp) then we Marines don't consider him a Marine! Period!

Semper Fi,
Kelly



8 posted on 09/16/2004 12:30:03 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi Travis,http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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Dan Rather was a shitbird recruit, NOT a United Stated Marine.


10 posted on 09/16/2004 12:30:16 PM PDT by dvldog03
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Chietain...Aggie1 might need some detail on Danny Blather's military service (or lack thereof).


11 posted on 09/16/2004 12:30:45 PM PDT by mattdono (Chris Matthew is Zell Miller's b*tch! (and the MSM is FR's b*tch!))
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States... so pissed I can't type today


12 posted on 09/16/2004 12:31:15 PM PDT by dvldog03
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Ratter should have been selected as VP---wow two heroes!!!(Saracsm)


21 posted on 09/16/2004 12:41:38 PM PDT by GOPologist
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3 May 74
Recruit Training Depot
Parris Island
First Recruit Traing Battalion
Company D


FOR FILE

Recruit Fitness Memorandum

Barracks inspection 0430 2 May 74
Recruit Rather was found hiding under the wb6; he had urinated on himself and had his gear piled up in a corner.

Interrogation of barracks personnel revealed that Recruit Rather had been caught masturbating to a photograph of William Fulbright on the cover of Time Magazine.

I will recommend his transfer to the press corps immediately.

/s/
Capt. John H. Rochman, Delta Company


31 posted on 09/16/2004 12:55:49 PM PDT by anton
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I think you may have heard him incorrectly. I believe that Dan actually refers to himself as an "Old Queen".

Hope that helps.


32 posted on 09/16/2004 12:57:49 PM PDT by skip_intro (I'm a man...I can change...If I have to...I guess)
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Whoa - you just raised the collective blood pressure of every former and active Marine on the board by about 300 points systolic. The VA will be in touch... ;-)


34 posted on 09/16/2004 12:59:41 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Ollie is eating the "old Marine" alive on Hannity at the moment. He calls Dan a liar.


37 posted on 09/16/2004 1:14:05 PM PDT by AndrewC (I also think that Carthage should be destroyed. - Cato)
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Dan's not a Marine unless he makes it through Boot....just like I'm not a Airman unless I make it through BMT.


39 posted on 09/16/2004 1:17:23 PM PDT by Blue Scourge (Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
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BTTT


47 posted on 09/16/2004 1:48:45 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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I was kicked out of basic.

When people ask me if I was ever in the service I reply that "the Marine Corps politely asked me to leave boot camp."

You'd think I'd just say "no" and leave it at that however, that episode was so humiliating to me that it's become meaningful and feel that, though I was never a Marine, the Marines taught me a lesson that turned out to be important.

It's impossible to imagine someone saying they were a Marine after being washed-out:  Rather's an embarrassment to all us losers who failed basic.

How much do you suck if you're an embarrassment to losers?

48 posted on 09/16/2004 1:49:34 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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(The following is from the book: Stolen Valor by B.G. Burkett – page 107)


Rather certainly has experience with the military. During the Korean War, when men could be drafted out of college, Dan Irvin Rather joined the Army Reserves while attending Sam Houston University in Huntsville, Texas, thus avoiding the possibility of being drafted. On graduating in 1954, well after the Korean War was over and the killing had ended, Rather quit the reserves and enlisted in the Marine Corps. (This is the same national broadcaster who, night after night during the 1988 presidential campaign, hammered Republican vice presidential candidate Dan Quale for avoiding Vietnam by joining the National Guard,) Although the press often refers to Rather as an “ex-Marine,” he did not finish Marine recruit training. He joined the Marines on January 22, 1954, but was discharged less than four months later, on May 11,for being medically unfit. (As a boy, Rather had suffered from rheumatic fever.)


53 posted on 09/16/2004 2:29:49 PM PDT by matchwood
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Dan Rather washed out of boot camp....I am reminded of meeting up with my drill instuctor in Quatico several after graduating from MCRD PI. My drill instructor asked me if I remembered a guy name Rather (not his real name). How could I forget, he was the FU that went crazy and did the sea bag drag about TD#4. My former DI and now my buddy, went into a story about how he was back home in NC at a bowling alley when some cute girl came up to him and asked him if he was a Marine (back in those days only Marines wore high and tights). She said then went into a story about how her ex-boyfriend joined the Marines and came home a nut case without finishing bootcamp.

Anyway, come to find out it was my old fellow recruit, Rather (reminder this is not his real name), who couldn't learn his left from his right and pi$$ed his trousers (literally) when he had four DI's in his face.

BTW, the current CBS anchor reminds me of that recruit.


56 posted on 09/16/2004 11:40:08 PM PDT by Robert Lomax
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