WAS THE DNC INVOLVED? TIME TO CONNECT THE DOTS

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[Protect the Bill of Rights]

 

1. Established fact: the memos Dan Rather used in his 60 Minutes II segment are forgeries.

2. The WASHINGTON POST has reported the memos originated from a Kinko's in Abilene Texas.

3. Bill Burkett, a man with a long festering grudge against the Bush family lives in Baird Texas, 25 miles from Abilene.  It has been report Mr. Burkett has an account at Kinko's

The obvious conclusion would be Mr. Burkett is the source of the memos.  Case closed.  End of Story.  And the DNC and Dan Rather would have us believe the story is over.  They want to get to the substance.  Problem is that ending is way too neat.  I am convinced this goes back to the DNC and the information is out there, waiting for us.  I believe it can be proven.  But it is going to take some work.

The story is NOT the content of the memos.  The story is:

1. Who faxed them to CBS?

2. Is the DNC/Kerry Campaign involved?

3. If the DNC/Kerry Campaign is involved, can it be proven?

4. Was Dan Rather a willing participant?

I believe the above questions can be answered with certainty. We need another central thread to focus on this chapter of the story.  It is a place where documentation can be gathered, facts confirmed,   wild speculation disgarded, rumors dismissed, and logical, reasonable conclusions drawn.

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This is from my post on another thread:  Rather Concedes Papers Are Suspect (Rather Talks of Questions On Papers (on DRUDGE)  #127 posted on 09/16/2004

To: shrinkermd; Anti-Bubba182; GOPcapitalist; SnowstormPatriot

As more information flows, I am convinced this is a DNC coordinated smear effort. Case in point:

Ex-Texas Guardsman eyed in Bush memo leak    posted on 09/16/2004 2:35:47 AM EDT by Anti-Bubba182


"...Mr. Burkett's attorney, David Van Os, said yesterday through a spokeswoman that he has been instructed by his client not to comment. The New York Times reported yesterday that Mr. Van Os refused to say if his client played a role in providing the memos to CBS.

The New York Times quoted Mr. Van Os as saying, "If, hypothetically, Bill Burkett or anyone else, any other individual, had prepared or had typed on a word processor as some of the journalists are presuming, without much evidence, if someone in the year 2004 had prepared on a word processor replicas of documents that they believed had existed in 1972 or 1973 — which Bill Burkett has absolutely not done" — then he continued, "what difference would it make?" ....." excerpted from the Washington Times.
 

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Next:  Memogate: Burkett's attorney/spokesman hosted Kerry rallies in Texas

"Here's a photo of David Van Os, the spokesman for Bill Burkett of Memogate fame, addressing a major John Kerry for President rally in Austin last month."

posted on 09/16/2004 3:04:52 AM EDT by GOPcapitalist
 

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further down the thread: David Van Os for Texas Supreme Court

To: GOPcapitalist
You might also be interested to know that David Van Os was an associate in the law firm of David R. Richards.

For those of you that haven't made the connection yet, David Richards is the husband of Ann Richards, the former Governor of Texas that was defeated by George W. Bush.

Do you smell a bit of vendetta here?

15 posted on 09/16/2004 3:29:10 AM EDT by SnowstormPatriot

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Several weeks or maybe a month ago, I watched 2 newsclips which I believe (speculation only) were designed to generate interest in this story.  The first was an article in Salon  Salon.com News | George W. Bush's missing year  Sept 2, 2004.  I do not have the whole article [refuse to register] , I believe Mrs. Allison is laying a groundwork for the Killian memos.  This may be the article which describes a perceived snub by the Bush family towards the Killians.  If anyone has that article, please post link or quote.

I saw another TV news clip and I am desperately looking for the source.  It states implicitly that the video Ben Barnes made was done at the request of John Kerry.  If anyone remembers the report or has a link to a source on that one, please post here.

 

 

 

 

[mabelkitty]

got your source rigtht here, bump

[mabelkitty]

Big Country Chapter Texas Democratic Women ^ | 9/16/04 | Rebelbase Via Tlbshow


Posted on 09/16/2004 9:06:16 PM EDT by Rebelbase


The meeting will be at 7 p.m. at Kinko's on Danville just north of Buffalo Gap road in their meeting room. There are soda machines, etc. You're welcome to bring other refreshments if you like.

The room will cost us $5.00 per hour and we'll be requesting donations of $1.00 to help defray the cost. Any amount over the room cost will go into the club's general fund


This is from TBLSHOW, so take it for what it is worth.

[ubu]

Correcting myself: He was a former associate in Mr. Richard's law firm, not partner. He was also a major Dean supporter, and traveled to Florida in 2000 to help the Gore campaign's attempts to challenge (cough, cough, STEAL) the election.

More at Houblog.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[MistyCA]

You are welcome. I bet the FR archives are getting very interesting!

[Concerned]

Van Os says: "...if someone in the year 2004 had prepared on a word processor replicas of documents that they believed had existed in 1972 or 1973 — which Bill Burkett has absolutely not done..."

SHEZZA RESPONDED: "Could be a Clintonesque parsing of words. His vehement denial is that the documents were absolutely not typed on a word processor in the year 2004. Burkett has been peddling documents for years. He may have begun rough drafts on these particular nine or ten months ago and still be able to truthfully deny that he had absolutely not typed them in the year 2004."

My Klinon-Speak take was that Os was literally saying that Bill Burkett had absolutely not typed them in 1972 or 1973.

Os was NOT denying that Burkett typed them in 2004!

[Dataman]

I have little doubt that Kinko's has video surveillance. The video will reveal that the guy with the Kerry button at the fax machine was retained by the DNC.

[MistyCA]

Do you think the surveillance tapes are still available?

What will also work is the phone logs because the call would have been long distance. Then it's going to be pretty easy to find the charge slip for that call. I hope law enforcement is already on this. It's pretty serious stuff to try to defraud the electorate and the President.

[Cvengr]

Personally, the main proof the documents are completely forged is that they fail entirely to lay in the realm of possible communication from that culture within American history.

The files allude to criminal behavior. A commanding officer with any sense of command presence or wherewithal,...even if posed with the situation mentioned in the 'documents', would entirely lose any sense of command presence either up the chain or down the chain to communicate the intent contained in those documents.

At that time in US military culture, the CO indubitably was responsible and accountable for aspects within his command. His mere knowledge of any such situation as implied in the documents mandated only 2 courses of action.

On one hand the issue was either extortion or undue influence which the CO had responsibility to pursue just resolution by charging those involved with criminal behavior. The UCMJ would then prevail in resolving the situation.

On the other hand, he only had a righteous alternative to reconsider the information provided him, that the situation wasn't as the documents implied, but rather the information was a friendly suggestion by others regarding evaluations, that perhaps evaluations were unduly scrutinous, because of the evaluee's relationship with prominent figures. This tended to be the norm in that day expressed by phrases such as, "the higher up the totem pole you climb, the further out your a** hangs for eveybody to see below". The more prominent the figure, the more scrutiny received in judging his performance.

For a CO to query either his peers, seniors, or juniors as to how he should perceive or respond to allegations of illicit behavior is tantamont to a request to be relieved of command, because if the CO doesn't know how to respond, he lacks the presence, insight, and judgment to hold the position of responsibilty as a CO.

Movies such as Twelve o'Clock High and In Harm's Way and Patton came closer to describing leadership standards of that day.

Now for a CO in that culture to have had the thoughts expressed in the 'documents' indicates he probably wouldn't have survived command very long,.....let alone communicating those thoughts verbally to anybody,...let alone typing them in a fitness report for only senior eyes to review, let alone allowing an administrative junior to prepare those documents,...let alone to communicate those ideas in print to a senior,...let alone to place those ideas on unit letterhead,...all of which only escalate a prominent notion that any such author would be completely berift of any command potential is highly doubtful,..if simply outright ludicrous.

[PJBlogger]

I would ask you to pose the classic legal query: motive, mean,opportunity.
Who profits?

I believe Kerry sealed his doom when he engaged the Clintonistas to run his campaign.
If everyone here at FR has known forever, how could Jean le Kerré be so freaking stoopid?

I bet he would laugh at PajamaBloggers if he only knew we are here.

The Revenge of the PajamaBloggers....coming soon to a screen near you.

[PJBlogger]

I would ask that you pose the classic legal query :
motive, mean,opportunity.
Who profits?

I believe Kerry sealed his doom when he engaged the Clintonistas to run his campaign.
If everyone here at FR has known forever, how could Jean le Kerré be so freaking stoopid?

I bet he would laugh at PajamaBloggers if he only knew we are here.

The Revenge of the PajamaBloggers....coming soon to a screen near you.

[shezza]

Ah, I didn't look at it that way. All depends on what the meaning of "is" is. ;o)

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Lost power and telephone service last night, so I will go thru prior posts later today.
First:  Does anyone know the birth date of Major James Bath?
Now:
Back to Mr. Burkett--I still believe he may be a small piece of the puzzle. His Bush Hate is well documented as it pertains to his health problems, NG Service, etc.  But NG Service is not all he is involved in. He is a Cattleman:

Black Oak Cattle, Bill & Nicki Burkett, Baird, TX

I know nothing about the cattle industry-I plead ignorance. There are cows and bulls. And Longhorns. Cattle experts, that's all I know, so forgive my ignorance.

Some listings:   

PROVEN CALVING EASE HERD BULL. Red, non-diluter natural son of the fabulous proven Black Max line donor 220B [Gateway and Stagg] and X339U. This bull has been used for three seasons and loaned throughout our area. He is the most Proven Calving Ease bull of any breed within 50 miles of us. He simply works. This is a Blood Red, non-diluter who sires solid patterns on spotted cows; largely black on black. The best calves are exceptional; the average calves are average; and all calves come easy. The closest thing to a Calving Ease Guarantee. $3500. Bill Burkett

National Quality Show prospect. Legacy X Bold Leader. Solid Black, long, deep fancy and stylish. Born March 3, 2004. Weight June 9 - 354# Exceptionally fancy. $2500.

Three Year Old Full Fleck Bull by Broadway. Has been used to date on Angus Cows for SimAngus Calves. The calves are very good and all contracted to an out of state buyer without cuts. 1800#. $2000. Bill Burkett

Burkett's Wild Card. Joker son of the fabulous Gateway Freedom Cow. Solid Black deep and good. Quiet and handles easily. $3000. Bill Burkett

Lot # 50 Meyers Black Destiny 806A Female $2500
Meyers Blk Coalminer 728 X Meyer Ranch 400
Buyer: Bill Burkett, Baird, TXHe is a current Board Member of the American Simmental Association

American Simmental Association Board of Trustees:

Mike Connatser (2005)
Dr. Michael Dikeman (2005)
Dr. Mike Wells (2005)
Verlouis Forster (2005)
H. Robert McQuiston (2006)
 Harry Moser (2006)
Fred Swain D.D.S (2006)
 Bob Volk (2007)
John T. Scorse (2005)
Bill Begger (2005)
Fred Schuetze, V
Robert Campbell, Chairman (2006)
Bill Burkett (2006)
Curtis Russell (2007)
Aaron Owen, Treasurer (2007)
 Mike Stoltey (2007)
R. Jerry Lipsey, Ph.D
Tom Nelson

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I am wondering if the Cattle Associations are non-Partisan or do they favor any side of the aisle? Has Mr. Burkett had any legal problems as a cattleman (not implying anything, looking for information)?  Have there ever been any accusations or investigations into kickbacks, money laundering, etc?  Once again, NOTHING IMPLIED-ONLY LOOKING FOR DOCUMENTED FACTS.

Are any of the visible figures in the Texas Cattle industry well known dem partisans? 

Does the person who raises the cattle send it to slaughter or is that a different industry?

And PLEASE do not take offense-asking out of ignorance.  Is the Cattle Industry considered "clean?"

 

 

[wildbill]

Re: lunatics not hiring attorneys running for Texas SCt.

Some people in Texas say only our lunatics RUN for the Supreme Court.

[andyk]

To paraphrase Wolf24,

Burkett = Fall Guy

(apologies to Lee Majors)

[185JHP]

That theory has some nice hooks in it. Dementia + contacts + vulnerability to pressure ("We'll tell them what you did That Summer in Waco").

[mabelkitty]

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[mabelkitty]

bump for drowning Kerry out of the news yet again.

[mabelkitty]

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