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WAS THE DNC INVOLVED? TIME TO CONNECT THE DOTS
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Posted on 09/16/2004 6:57:57 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights

 

  1. Established fact: the memos Dan Rather used in his 60 Minutes II segment are forgeries.

  2. The WASHINGTON POST has reported the memos originated from a Kinko's in Abilene Texas.

  3. Bill Burkett, a man with a long festering grudge against the Bush family lives in Baird Texas, 25 miles from Abilene.  It has been report Mr. Burkett has an account at Kinko's

The obvious conclusion would be Mr. Burkett is the source of the memos.  Case closed.  End of Story.  And the DNC and Dan Rather would have us believe the story is over.  They want to get to the substance.  Problem is that ending is way too neat.  I am convinced this goes back to the DNC and the information is out there, waiting for us.  I believe it can be proven.  But it is going to take some work.

The story is NOT the content of the memos.  The story is:

  1. Who faxed them to CBS?

  2. Is the DNC/Kerry Campaign involved?

  3. If the DNC/Kerry Campaign is involved, can it be proven?

  4. Was Dan Rather a willing participant?

I believe the above questions can be answered with certainty. We need another central thread to focus on this chapter of the story.  It is a place where documentation can be gathered, facts confirmed,   wild speculation disgarded, rumors dismissed, and logical, reasonable conclusions drawn.


This is from my post on another thread:  Rather Concedes Papers Are Suspect (Rather Talks of Questions On Papers (on DRUDGE)  #127 posted on 09/16/2004

To: shrinkermd; Anti-Bubba182; GOPcapitalist; SnowstormPatriot

As more information flows, I am convinced this is a DNC coordinated smear effort. Case in point:

Ex-Texas Guardsman eyed in Bush memo leak    posted on 09/16/2004 2:35:47 AM EDT by Anti-Bubba182


"...Mr. Burkett's attorney, David Van Os, said yesterday through a spokeswoman that he has been instructed by his client not to comment. The New York Times reported yesterday that Mr. Van Os refused to say if his client played a role in providing the memos to CBS.

The New York Times quoted Mr. Van Os as saying, "If, hypothetically, Bill Burkett or anyone else, any other individual, had prepared or had typed on a word processor as some of the journalists are presuming, without much evidence, if someone in the year 2004 had prepared on a word processor replicas of documents that they believed had existed in 1972 or 1973 — which Bill Burkett has absolutely not done" — then he continued, "what difference would it make?" ....." excerpted from the Washington Times.
 


Next:  Memogate: Burkett's attorney/spokesman hosted Kerry rallies in Texas

"Here's a photo of David Van Os, the spokesman for Bill Burkett of Memogate fame, addressing a major John Kerry for President rally in Austin last month."

posted on 09/16/2004 3:04:52 AM EDT by GOPcapitalist
 


further down the thread: David Van Os for Texas Supreme Court

To: GOPcapitalist
You might also be interested to know that David Van Os was an associate in the law firm of David R. Richards.

For those of you that haven't made the connection yet, David Richards is the husband of Ann Richards, the former Governor of Texas that was defeated by George W. Bush.

Do you smell a bit of vendetta here?

15 posted on 09/16/2004 3:29:10 AM EDT by SnowstormPatriot


Several weeks or maybe a month ago, I watched 2 newsclips which I believe (speculation only) were designed to generate interest in this story.  The first was an article in Salon  Salon.com News | George W. Bush's missing year  Sept 2, 2004.  I do not have the whole article [refuse to register] , I believe Mrs. Allison is laying a groundwork for the Killian memos.  This may be the article which describes a perceived snub by the Bush family towards the Killians.  If anyone has that article, please post link or quote.

I saw another TV news clip and I am desperately looking for the source.  It states implicitly that the video Ben Barnes made was done at the request of John Kerry.  If anyone remembers the report or has a link to a source on that one, please post here.

 

 

 




 



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: billburkett; burkett; bush; davidvanos; dnc; kerry; killian; mcauliffe; rather
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To: randita
This might be of interest:

Kinkos Tapes and Criminal Statutes [Kinko's security tapes preserved for possible legal action]

161 posted on 09/16/2004 12:11:53 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: ubu
Elsewhere, it's noted that one of his partners is the husband of former Democratic governor Ann Richards, whom Bush defeated to win the governorship.

A CABAL of Crooks!

162 posted on 09/16/2004 12:18:28 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Fact : No one (except the quickly sinking DEMS) really gives 2 flying craps about any of that.With "REAL " issues facing the world , those particulars are no at all of interest. WOW the kid of a congressman git special treatment ..NO !!! REALLY wowow..We care about what he has done as president and what he will do in the next 4 years.
FACT : No one has YET to be able to tell me with ANY clarity what Kerry 's stand is on anything .


163 posted on 09/16/2004 12:21:34 PM PDT by omstrat (zip code77034)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
I think the unimpeachable source is Dan's daughter, a known Texas RAT operative.

Ding! Ding!

She was the go between for Burkett and Rather. Even Dan might not be so stupid as to fall for someone like Burkett, but his daughter, she would certainly unimpeachable.

Furthermore, this is explains why he his being irrationally obstinate.

Dan would toss Burkett, even Kerry, out the window to save his career, but not his daughter.

She may also be the point of contact to the DNC, who also might not be so stupid.

164 posted on 09/16/2004 12:22:47 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: MistyCA
Thanks for the pings.

Imagine for a moment the the stain on Monica's blue dress was a fake! Mr. Rather, what's that stain on your tie.

165 posted on 09/16/2004 12:30:57 PM PDT by eggman (CBS Lied -- the Kerry Campaign Died)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
The direct source is In this post
166 posted on 09/16/2004 12:32:12 PM PDT by PretzeLogic (Those who run from the facts only find the truth by stumbling into it accidentally.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

bookmarking


167 posted on 09/16/2004 12:39:53 PM PDT by TheSarce
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To: Brilliant

I heard her say the same thing on Fox. She warned that they would be going after Bush's military record. What has happened since then came as no surprise, except that they got their feet stuck in some deep doo doo! LMAO!


168 posted on 09/16/2004 12:43:15 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: elbucko

All a part of their spin. Depending how it plays, they always have Rove to blame! LOL!


169 posted on 09/16/2004 12:44:12 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: eggman

You are welcome. Ah yes, the blue dress. The other side really has provided us some interesting moments! LOL.


170 posted on 09/16/2004 12:46:08 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Protect the Bill of Rights gave me permission to post this to his thread.
THE DEMOCRATIC VIRTUAL MACHINE OF TEXAS

By PretzeLogic

September 16, 2004

Seperate Thread Found Here: THE DEMOCRATIC VIRTUAL MACHINE OF TEXAS

SOMEWHERE BEHIND THE LINES, TEXAS - The Cast of the Rather-Gate scandal are connected in a stunningly simple way. The Travis County [, Texas] Democratic Party, Dan Rather, Robin Rather, Ben Barnes, James C. Moore, Bill Burkett, and others used the machinery of Autin4Kerry.org, OnlineJournal.com, GreaterDemocracy.org, and CBS 60 Minutes to publicize allegations supported by fraudulent documents.

Some cable news pundants hope that Dan Rather was conned by a devious but well meaning Bush-hater. Others theorize that CBS was duped by Karl Rove who may have planted the fake documents in a way that Dan Rather could find them and believe them to be authentic. The problem with both of these theories is that the mark has to be willing to be conned. Dan Rather and CBS News had to believe so strongly that the underlying allegations were true that they were willing to accept anything as proof.

As the Chart below demonstrates, the basic facts are that a famous Texas news man who participates in Democratic politics believed the stories told by another Texas news man. The story is based on the tales of a Texas Air National Guard veteran who believes he suffers from a rare and deadly disease that affects the central nervous system.

It seems clear that Dan Rather and CBS News wanted to be conned so badly they were willing to give up their reputations built over 35 years.

Texas politics is a rough game; a favored spectator sport in Texas. It has not been thought of as a national sport until recently, though. Thanks to Texan, Dan Rather of CBS 60 Minutes, disgraced and disgraceful Texas Democrats have been thrust under a national spotlight.

The most famous Texan in the Rather-Gate scandal is Dan Rather . He began his career in Huntsville, Texas as an Associated Press reporter. He ended up as News Director as KHOU-TV in Houston before making the leap to CBS Network News in 1962 (bio).

Dan Rather is related to the Travis County Democratic Party through his daughter, Robin Rather. She is an organizer and fund raiser for Democratic causes and the Kerry campaign. Dan Rather was the featured speaker at one of the events she organized. Robin Rather is or has been chair-person of several environmental groups in Austin, Texas. Dan Rather later apologized for participating in the fund raiser.

Dan Rather included an interview of long time Texas reporter James C. Moore in the follow-up by CBS News defending the original 60 Minutes report. Moore attempted to authenticate content of the documents telling Dan Rather, "I think what has happened is some incriminating documents have come out. The White House has not discredited the documents. They're relying on the blogosphere and other people to do that. Because the White House probably knows these documents are in fact real".

James C. Moore is the author of "Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W.Bush Presidential". He was also a reporter for CBS affiliate KHOU-TV 1990's. Moore's first step to stardom came when he asked then gubernatorial Candidate Bush about his TANG service during a televised debate between Bush and Ann Richards in 1994. Since then he has written 2 books and numerous articles unflattering to President Bush.

Dan Rather also interviewed former Lt. Governor of Texas, Ben Barnes who alleges he helped G. W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard ahead of others for his (Barnes) own purposes. Barnes is still a powerful player in Texas and National Democratic politics. Senator Tom Daschle calls him the 51st Democratic Senator ("So What if He Never Got to be Governor or President?" by Paul Burka, Texas Monthly, September, 2001).

To Texans, Ben Barnes is infamously an alleged co-conspirator in the Sharpstown Bank scandal that rocked the Democratic Party of Texas and turned many Texas Democratic officials out of office in the 1970's.

Barnes recanted testimony he had previously given under oath in a video produced by Michael Nicholson and Todd Phelan of Austin4Kerry.org. In Dan Rather's interview, Barnes says he helped President Bush get into the TANG ahead of others who were equally qualified. The original Barnes video can be viewed at Austin4Kerry.org and is hosted by GreaterDemocracy.org. Events organized by Austin4Kerry.org are publicized at volunteer.johnkerry.com.

As if to complete the magic circle, James C. Moore used his email list to publicize the Austin4Kerry.org Barnes Video that Nicholson and Phelan produced. According to CBS News , "The video was posted June 25 on the Web site www.austin4kerry.org, but didn't get much attention until Friday, when Jim Moore, an Austin-based author of books about Mr. Bush, sent out e-mail messages calling attention to it...". Moore executed his spam campaign on August 27, 2004.

Lieutenant Colonel William (Bill) Burkett (Retired) is a primary source of James C. Moore. Burkett is also a source for CBS reporters John Roberts and Bill Plante. John Roberts quotes Burkett in a piece that can be found at cbsnews.com. Bill Plante's story can also be found at cbsnews.com.

Burkett lives near Abilene, Texas. There has been some speculation that he may be the source of the forged documents and is the "impeccable" source used by Dan Rather. This seems plausible given his manic persecution of President Bush. In a rambling rant titled "What Do You Say?, published at OnlineJournal.com, Burkett accuses many in Texas and the United States Government of participating in conspiracies to withhold medical treatment from him or force him to lie about "ghost" soldiers on the National Guard payroll, or of scrubbing then Governor Bush's service records.

On the same article, Burkett describes his struggle with meningoencephalitis since 1998. He unsuccessfully sued the United States over it. His suite alleges that the United States Army wrongfully withheld treatment for the disease he believes he has.

According to the Texas Department of State Health Services (TDSHS), "meningoencephalitis (PAM), is a rare and usually deadly disease caused by infection with the ameba ( a single-celled organism that constantly changes shape )". TDSHS says the symptoms are, "Following an incubation period of 2-15 days, there is a relatively sudden start of severe meningitis-like symptoms, which begin with fever and headache. These are rapidly followed by sensitivity to light, nausea, projectile vomiting, stiff neck, and, in many cases, disturbances to taste and smell. Changes in behavior and seizures may also be present. As conditions worsen the patient falls into a coma. Death usually occurs 3-7 days after the onset of symptoms".

Robert W Tolan, Jr, MD, Chief of Pediatric Infectious Diseases, St. Peter's University Hospital states that "only 5 survivors of PAM have been reported".

Brukett's attorney is David Van Os, a labor lawyer and long time Democratic activist. He wants a seat on the Texas Supreme Court. Van Os is also one of the lawyers who represented Al Gore in Florida during the 2000 election.

A section of his main page titled "Karl Rove's Master Plan Started with the Texas Courts" is worth a read.

On April 6, 2001, The Austin Chronicle reported that, "National Labor Relations Board, acting through its Acting General Counsel, issued a formal complaint against Van Os and Associates, based on the charges former employees filed against the firm [...]". The disposition of the employees' complaint is unclear at this time.

WHAT COULD BE WORSE?

This has not been a good week for CBS News or Texas. Dan Rather has disgraced himself, his co-workers, his employer, and his profession. The petulant defense from Rather demanding his viewers either produce indisputable proof the documents are forgeries or take his word for it that they are not seems like something from a bad movie. Dan Rather and CBS News have wandered dangerously close to conspiracy to commit fraud territory by refusing to divulge their source for the documents.

If Burkett is Dan Rather's source then CBS News has more to answer for than simply being conned. CBS Producer Mary Mapes is reported to have flown to Abilene, met Burkett, and pronounced him "impeccable".  CBS News does not seem to have done any more due dilligence than that. This appearantly mystical ability to determine that a source is worth risking reputations on does not ingender the kind of trust Rather expects from his audiance.

The only thing that could possibly be worse would be to find out that Paul Begala, another Kerry supporter from Texas, produced the fraudulent documents on his laptop. It seems appropriate that this whole thing turn out be a practicle joke that got out of hand -- just like a bad movie.

171 posted on 09/16/2004 1:05:16 PM PDT by PretzeLogic (Those who run from the facts only find the truth by stumbling into it accidentally.)
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To: Midnight_Train
(Cecille Richards) is 47 years old, a striking six-footer and longtime labor organizer

And David Van OS is a lifetime labor union lawyer.

172 posted on 09/16/2004 1:06:53 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: MistyCA

BTTT!!!!!!!


173 posted on 09/16/2004 1:29:49 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: MistyCA

Well, this much we can all agree on. CBS is a buncha dupes.


174 posted on 09/16/2004 3:41:18 PM PDT by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: MistyCA

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/045480.php

Burkett is a con.


175 posted on 09/16/2004 3:53:05 PM PDT by e_castillo
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To: MistyCA
Thanks for the ping. I'll have to save this for a later read.

Brownie74

176 posted on 09/16/2004 4:39:02 PM PDT by Brownie74
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To: Brownie74

:)


177 posted on 09/16/2004 4:40:51 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
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DNC --->--->--->--->(forged documents) --->--->--->--->CBS
178 posted on 09/16/2004 4:53:15 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: elbucko
The "Duck", that all of this walks and talks like, is the Clintons.

Handprints of "The Beast"??

179 posted on 09/16/2004 5:01:47 PM PDT by evad
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Of course the DNC was involved. They're up to their necks in this.


Gee, Bush is a better President than I thought. He's making the democrats destroy themselves. Pretty darn sweet to watch Dandy Dan and the DNC going down on a sinking ship.


180 posted on 09/16/2004 5:57:25 PM PDT by Bullish (Tick... Tick...Tick...Tick...)
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