WAS THE DNC INVOLVED? TIME TO CONNECT THE DOTS

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[Protect the Bill of Rights]

 

1. Established fact: the memos Dan Rather used in his 60 Minutes II segment are forgeries.

2. The WASHINGTON POST has reported the memos originated from a Kinko's in Abilene Texas.

3. Bill Burkett, a man with a long festering grudge against the Bush family lives in Baird Texas, 25 miles from Abilene.  It has been report Mr. Burkett has an account at Kinko's

The obvious conclusion would be Mr. Burkett is the source of the memos.  Case closed.  End of Story.  And the DNC and Dan Rather would have us believe the story is over.  They want to get to the substance.  Problem is that ending is way too neat.  I am convinced this goes back to the DNC and the information is out there, waiting for us.  I believe it can be proven.  But it is going to take some work.

The story is NOT the content of the memos.  The story is:

1. Who faxed them to CBS?

2. Is the DNC/Kerry Campaign involved?

3. If the DNC/Kerry Campaign is involved, can it be proven?

4. Was Dan Rather a willing participant?

I believe the above questions can be answered with certainty. We need another central thread to focus on this chapter of the story.  It is a place where documentation can be gathered, facts confirmed,   wild speculation disgarded, rumors dismissed, and logical, reasonable conclusions drawn.

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This is from my post on another thread:  Rather Concedes Papers Are Suspect (Rather Talks of Questions On Papers (on DRUDGE)  #127 posted on 09/16/2004

To: shrinkermd; Anti-Bubba182; GOPcapitalist; SnowstormPatriot

As more information flows, I am convinced this is a DNC coordinated smear effort. Case in point:

Ex-Texas Guardsman eyed in Bush memo leak    posted on 09/16/2004 2:35:47 AM EDT by Anti-Bubba182


"...Mr. Burkett's attorney, David Van Os, said yesterday through a spokeswoman that he has been instructed by his client not to comment. The New York Times reported yesterday that Mr. Van Os refused to say if his client played a role in providing the memos to CBS.

The New York Times quoted Mr. Van Os as saying, "If, hypothetically, Bill Burkett or anyone else, any other individual, had prepared or had typed on a word processor as some of the journalists are presuming, without much evidence, if someone in the year 2004 had prepared on a word processor replicas of documents that they believed had existed in 1972 or 1973 — which Bill Burkett has absolutely not done" — then he continued, "what difference would it make?" ....." excerpted from the Washington Times.
 

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Next:  Memogate: Burkett's attorney/spokesman hosted Kerry rallies in Texas

"Here's a photo of David Van Os, the spokesman for Bill Burkett of Memogate fame, addressing a major John Kerry for President rally in Austin last month."

posted on 09/16/2004 3:04:52 AM EDT by GOPcapitalist
 

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further down the thread: David Van Os for Texas Supreme Court

To: GOPcapitalist
You might also be interested to know that David Van Os was an associate in the law firm of David R. Richards.

For those of you that haven't made the connection yet, David Richards is the husband of Ann Richards, the former Governor of Texas that was defeated by George W. Bush.

Do you smell a bit of vendetta here?

15 posted on 09/16/2004 3:29:10 AM EDT by SnowstormPatriot

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Several weeks or maybe a month ago, I watched 2 newsclips which I believe (speculation only) were designed to generate interest in this story.  The first was an article in Salon  Salon.com News | George W. Bush's missing year  Sept 2, 2004.  I do not have the whole article [refuse to register] , I believe Mrs. Allison is laying a groundwork for the Killian memos.  This may be the article which describes a perceived snub by the Bush family towards the Killians.  If anyone has that article, please post link or quote.

I saw another TV news clip and I am desperately looking for the source.  It states implicitly that the video Ben Barnes made was done at the request of John Kerry.  If anyone remembers the report or has a link to a source on that one, please post here.

 

 

 

 

[Check_Your_Premises]

"Susan Estrich also had a screed on what was about to come, and oh how we'd pay "

Yes I remember that article she wrote. Since we are speculating here, didn't that article remind you of one of Osama's "secret message to launch" videos. There are other examples I have seen cited that the Dems were giving "tells" that they were about to drop a big bomb.

Unfortunately for them they are better at propaganda then they are at forgeries.

Unfortunately for us, I don't think we will ever find the smoking gun.

Fortunately for us, the world, and posterity it probably won't matter. Kerry looks to be toast.

[wildbill]

Link proves Burkett is Democrat with links to party leaders. Some one with extra space on his computer needs to save this. I suspect it will vanish soon.

[sitetest]

Dear mabelkitty,

He may be a nutjob, but that doesn't distinguish him from a large part of his party, including, most likely, the nominee and the fellow who almost became the nominee (Dean).

He appears to have access, at least in the Texas Democrat Party. He has known Mr. Van Os for some years, now, and led Mr. Van Os's attempt to become the head of the Texas Democrat Party. Are you saying that someone in this position has no access? Could you explain the discrepancy between your claim and the evidence?

Of course he's being used. But he has a pretty good idea that he's being used, I think. And he goes along with it because: he's a committed Democrat; and he's a pretty typical Democrat looney.


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[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Thanks for the link!

[finnman69]

Wow, here is the Kerry link!

OK I am convinced that Van Os is clearly a DNC player and his simultaneous representation of Burkett and work for the DNC is highly suspect.

I think its time to swing the searchlight of the blogosphere on to Van Os. At the elast, Texans need to knwo more about this scumbag who is campaigning to be appointed to the Texas Supreme Court.

David greeting the audience in the Democracy for Texas Rally, Austin, Texas, Aug. 22

Texas Democratic Party State Convention June 17-19, 2004 - Houston, Texas

David Van Os with Senator Max Cleland

David Van Os with President of the United States Bill Clinton, 1998

[mabelkitty]

No. I'm not going to clog the thread on a distraction, and Burkett is a distraction - not the source or the brains.

[maryz]

Thank you!

[sitetest]

Dear mabelkitty,

I don't think I said that Mr. Burkett is the ultimate source of forged documents, though he may be, himself, the actual forger. It doesn't mean it was his original idea. I don't think I said he is the "brains" behind the scheme.

I've only noted that he is a Democrat operative in the state of Texas. Thus, part of the story is, "Democrat operative provides forged documents to libel president."

Where it goes from that point is another question.

But I think it's important to establish that Mr. Burkett is not some lone, non-political former Guardsmen, but a cog in the Democrat machine, and not even a disguised cog.

How the fact that this man is a Democrat operative could be a distraction is beyond me.


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[Protect the Bill of Rights]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210072/posts
(1 posted on 09/08/2004 10:37:17 AM EDT by gopwinsin04 )

'Texans for Truth' [Moveon.org 527] Ad Buy Challenges Bush on Texas National Guard Service

More info for me to go thru:
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'Texans for Truth' is getting its turn at bat today, just in time for the 60 Minutet II interview with Former Texas Lt. Governor Ben Barnes tonight.

'Texans for Truth' is an arm of Drive Democracy, an Austin based group that got its initial funding from the liberal group Moveon.Org.

The Moveon PAC and Moveon Voter Fund have spent about $7 million since March 1 on anti Bush TV ads.

Drive Democracy is run by Glenn Smith who managed the unsuccessful 2002 Texas gubernatorial campaign of Democrat Tony Sanchez.

Smith is a former managing director at the consulting firm Public Strategies, which employs former Texas Governor Ann Richards.

'Texans for Truth plans to spend $100,000 to $200,000 to run the ad for a week in closely contested states that are home to large numbers of families of US troops killed in Iraq.

Such states include Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Oregon and Arizona.

The Bush campagin is crying foul. 'The president served honorably in the National Guard, fulfilled his duties and was honorably discharged,' campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt said.


(Excerpt) Read more at http:www.abcnews.go.com ...

[nutmeg]

CBS: GUARDSMAN, NOT DEMS, SOURCE OF FORGED DOCS

[sauropod]

Somebody needs to really excoriate Pelosi publically big time. She's way too big for her britches.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Actually, IF (and it's a big IF!) they ever existed, I think Burkett IS the actually of the "original" (ie, hand-scribbled documents) that were the foundation of the typed forgeries.

More likely, somebody either read the original hand-scribbled notes (taken/stolen/removed from trash can) from Killian's desk after he died and then typed them up. then re-typed them as "Official memo's" to make Dan Rather's story "sweeter" ....

Or, somebody fabricated them "whole colth" from converstations with a democrat insider (i.e., the old secretary) and soembody who was in the reserves at the Austin headquarters at the time ("Austin is not happy") who knew the players' names involved.

So Burkett created (re-typed paper notes, or forged "originals") to match stories from the secretary and matched details from the April 27 Kerry press release to back up the forgeries.

Remember, Dan Rather's FIRST defense on Monday was that "these memo's exactly match the missing records in Bush's files. Therefore they must be true!"

[mabelkitty]

I can trace this to August of 2003.
Last year, when we had the Great North American Black-out, Democratic Mayor Jane Campbell issued a press release urging folks to drink plenty of water, blah blah.

What had occurred prior to her release was the water pumps were out of power and everyone was being told not to drink it. How does this connect?

She's held funding for major DNC folks, as well as Kerry/Edwards. When the power was out, SHE WAS IN TEXAS for an unscheduled, unpublicized, and never explained trip.

Wonder where other Democrats were during that day?

[maro]

That's very interesting. By the way, Al Gore called Dan Rather to apologize. "It's all my fault--I never should have invented that Internet thing."

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

CBS: GUARDSMAN, NOT DEMS, SOURCE OF FORGED DOCS
translated: Dems were source of documents
They think we are soooo stupid.

[maro]

That's very interesting. By the way, Al Gore called Dan Rather to apologize. "It's all my fault--I never should have invented that Internet thing."

[mabelkitty]

Doh!
Jane Campbell is the mayor of Cleveland, Ohio.

[wildbill]

Re:"legitimately unstable"

I don't want Freepers pushing this argument. Then the Dems will say he's a "lone crazed forger on the grassy knoll"

The Dems will try to avoid the argument that this was a concerted plot between CBS and the Dems to sway the election using forges documents.

[sitetest]

Dear Robert A. Cook, PE,

"More likely, somebody either read the original hand-scribbled notes (taken/stolen/removed from trash can) from Killian's desk after he died and then typed them up. then re-typed them as 'Official memo's' to make Dan Rather's story 'sweeter' ...."

Why? Why not just preserve the handwritten documents? They'd have much greater impact, be much easier to authenticate. They never existed, that's why.

CBS had been asking lots of folks detailed questions for lots of years, like, "Do you know of any memos where Bush is ordered to take a physical?"

Whoever created the forgeries listened to CBS' wish list of questions, and wrote the memos to fulfill those wishes.

It's clear that the DNC and the Kerry campaign coordinated their whole "Fortunate Son" charade with the release of the memos.


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