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What the hell is going on here? Or why is CBS clinging so ferociosly to this lie?
My fertile mind | 08/15/04 | me

Posted on 09/15/2004 8:10:12 PM PDT by Pharmer

I think that it is safe to say that this whole Rathergate/memogate stuff at this point is just out of control. If your ten year old got caught in a fib and continued to behave in this way even the most "progressive" of parents would would have this child have a close encounter with a razor strap. So why is CBS carrying on this way? I have heard many intresting theories posted here, on talk radio, and other places.

So let's review some of them. First we all know that the Swift Boat dudes was a shot in Kerry's solar plexis. It wasn't fatal but it caught him off guard and knocked the wind out of him. Kerry knows that has exposed his glass jaw and the swifties moving in with more even more devastaing blows. We all can aggree the TANG story was resurected for the umpteenth time to clearly to blunt any future efforts.

And if you look at the "suspicious timing" of media events we have:

a) The 60 minutes story Wednesday night producing documents from one of Bush's TANG officers that seem to imply that he had a different opinion of the young leutenant that he told his wife and and son and left a letter of commendation in Bush's personnel file.

b) Terry McAufull and Tom Harkin racing to the microphone Thursday morning to damand Bush answer the charges as to why he failed to show up for a physical as to set up

c) The Kitty Kelly cocaine story and voila!

d) Bush is a coke head just who ducked a physical with a drug test (in 1972! Before Nancy said NO) as we thought back in 2000 but now we have a paper trail!

But as we now know as in the the best laid plans of mice and men, the initial key components the documents were baltant and amatuerish forgeries. This blew the whole plan out of the water faster than a submerged mine blew up the number 3 boat. Just like Kerry did then the MSM ran from this story so fast it wasn't funny. They knew they were sunk, busted and had! I wouldn't be surprised that when all is said and done that whoever the source of these document was may have shopped them around to various media outlets before CBS took the bait. And most of them might have come to the same conclusions it took us "amatuer" Freepers and Buckhead 59 minutes to figure out: these were Cracker Jack Box phonies.

So why after being caught in such a blatant lie is CBS continuing to stand by this story when the scheme has been exposed? Some say arogance. Some say that CBS is covering for its source. I have a sneaking suspicion that more is afoot.

Remember when Richard Ben-Veniste during the 9/11 hearings tried to embarass John Ashcroft by asking him why he stopped flying commercial a month prior to 9/11? or how about when Bush had that press conference last spring and the press repeatedly tried to embarass Bush with stupid questions and get him to "apologize" for Iraq?

Well guess whats comming up? The debates. And who is moderating one of those debates? Bob Schieffer. And who does Bob Schieffer work for...? CBS!!! Don't be surprised if Scheifer askes "Mr president, last month the 60 minutes raise questions based on documents attributed to your former commanding officer in the Texas Air National Guard. To date you have not addressed those questions. Don't you think that tonight you answer those questions for the American people?" No matter what other questions asked in those debates that one will have justified the stonewalling we see now and that I think is the end-game. They want to embarass him with a phony question live and right in front of Kerry. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll handle it fine and with dignity. But knowing the contempt that these guys have for Bush they think this might just do him in.


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To: Capricam

If you think Dan Rather would lay his career on the line to give Kerry a breather............you don't know egos.

Dan looks after Dan. Everyone else, everyone, is in the cheap seats.

And don't worry, if you like boxing comparisons, Kerry is getting his, jabbed, jabbed, jabbed and jabbed, with Kid W. holding back the left hooks and the right uppercuts in readiness for the later rounds.

Sure Kerry is swinging. Hard at times, but all he's catching is air. Nothing's landing.

W. keeps jabbing, round after round, piling up the points. Floating like a butterfly. Stinging like a bee.

Sit back and admire the artistry of his handlers and corner men. And the fighter himself. Its fun to watch.
Educational too.



121 posted on 09/15/2004 10:09:39 PM PDT by Westerby (Gentlemen, start your revolution.)
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To: ElkCounty

Oh ElkCountry- the moose thing made me audibly chuckle. Very rare indeed.

Not only has CBS not reproduced (re-forged) the doc- they haven't even produced the doc. Can we see what they have? What game they are playing, I don't know. But I know they are playing a game.

Again- thanks for the moose.


122 posted on 09/15/2004 10:11:52 PM PDT by getitright (This tagline is accurate but not authentic)
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To: Pharmer

Funny how a few "fair and balanced" RINOs on here think Bob S is a good guy...talk about dancing with the devil!


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


123 posted on 09/15/2004 10:16:04 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Pharmer

CBS bet the farm on this... the Grand Poobah has staked its reputation on it.

If the public realizes that CBS got duped and used forged documents, *every*... *last*... *thing* that CBS is planning by way of sabotaging Bush is in jeopardy (along with their reputation as a news source) (not that the latter is in any way nearly as important to them as the former, of course...).

Therefore, since if they come out and admit they were duped, they're toast, their ONLY hope of being able to salvage their credibility is to continue with the denial.

Since the originals of the documents never existed, they can never *really* be checked for authenticity. So, unless someone caves and fingers the forger, there will be a (however vanishingly small) iota of uncertainty to which CBS can cling, in a desperate effort to avoid an outright admission.

In a way, I'm actually preferring it this way, since it prolongs their agony... Which German philosopher was it who said, "Better a horrible end, than a horror without end" - ? For CBS, and Rather in particular, I prefer the latter... if I could stretch it out for years, I would do so with glee...


124 posted on 09/15/2004 10:25:34 PM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: Pharmer
"Don't be surprised if Scheifer askes "Mr president, last month the 60 minutes raise questions based on documents attributed to your former commanding officer in the Texas Air National Guard. To date you have not addressed those questions. Don't you think that tonight you answer those questions for the American people?"

To which President Bush should reply:

"Those documents have raised many questions for the American people that need answering, particularly their authenticity. Since Dan Rather and CBS are still doing an internal investigation to see if they are fraudulent or not, I cannot make any comments on their content. Next question please............."

125 posted on 09/15/2004 10:35:01 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: RJL

Good point, routine drug testing in the military didn't get into full swing until about 1982. Even then it was more or less a witch hunt, the only people really put under scrutiny were the ones commonly believed to be "druggies".


126 posted on 09/15/2004 11:04:06 PM PDT by Shellback Chuck (Olongapo hookers are more truthful than Kerry)
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To: Pharmer

Fax# (212) 975-1998

127 posted on 09/15/2004 11:34:07 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (What's the frequency Kenneth?)
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To: Pharmer

Bump


128 posted on 09/16/2004 5:01:24 AM PDT by Pharmer (How am I supposed to rule the world when I surrounded by freakin liberal idiots!)
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To: Pharmer

bump


129 posted on 09/16/2004 5:02:21 AM PDT by Pharmer (How am I supposed to rule the world when I surrounded by freakin liberal idiots!)
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To: Sodbuster
What is their history? Kerry slanders Vietnam vets, conspires with the North Vietnamese govt in Paris around 1971, and becomes a very liberal Senator.

Let me amplify a bit on the "very liberal Senator" point.

Running in that first Senate race in 1984, Kerry's campaign published the memo Zell used in that speech last month. In THIS memo, known to be authentic, Kerry proposed the virtual abolition of the DoD as we know it. Since being a 70's retread peacenik was no bar to election in the Massachussetts of 1984, he won.

As a freshman Senator, he went to Nicaragua with Tom (Pile-O-Dung) Harkin to bolster Danny Ortega's Sandinista's against the Contras and what Lurch still refers to as "Reagan's Illegal War in Central America." Taken with his earlier running interference for North Vietnam and the Viet Cong, that looks bad to some of us.

But, in his defense, he hasn't used his now 20-year Senate career to try to bury us under a blizzard of legislation. He has got nothing passed, which is unsurprising since he has sponsored nothing. It has been said that he has no record, but that's not quite right. Despite a stunningly high absenteeism, he has a voting record and it stinks.

But, did you know he served in Vietnam?

130 posted on 09/16/2004 6:44:11 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: hershey

I don't know how it could come out though.

He did get less than honorable. This is known because of his date of honorable discharge Feb 1978 (two months into Carters Presidency). But proving it would require Kerry sign a form 180 or the information be illegally released. The DNC would do this in an instant but not the GOP. Thus how could it get released? Kerry will never sign a form 180.


131 posted on 09/16/2004 6:55:16 AM PDT by ImphClinton
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To: Paul Atreides

"Juan Williams and Alan Colmes WANT this story to be true."

I don't think Alan Colmes is an earnest liberal. I think he knows all the talking points, and he talks them where he's supposed to because that's his job. The other night, someone mentioned that Soros supported drug-legalization, including heroin. Colmes replied, "Did prohibition work? Does prohibition ever work?" Colmes isn't stupid, nor is he craven: he would never, ever call for the legalization of heroin, and yet he mouthed the talking point as quick as you please. Last night, he confided to the son of Killian thet he was sorry that his father was being used for political ends (something like that - my wife paraphrased for me). Now, I can't really guess why Colmes continues with his tired talking points - I guess he needs the job. Or perhaps I just can't imagine anyone working at Fox News who's still under the illusion that the democrats are so completely right, at every turn.


132 posted on 09/16/2004 7:08:43 AM PDT by mudblood
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To: expatpat
Pat Caddell was outspoken against Bubba, too.

Pat Cadell was also a voice of reason during the 2000 election. He was honest about algore's disastrous debates. He was outraged by the Dems trying to use the courts in Florida to manipulate the election. He reminds me of Nat Hentoff--a man of principle who feels sorrow that his party has been taken over by gangsters and losers.

133 posted on 09/16/2004 7:48:19 AM PDT by foreshadowed at waco
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