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Time To Look At Dan Rather's Military Records! Did Rather "cut and run" from Marine Corps?
MB26

Posted on 09/15/2004 5:29:26 PM PDT by MindBender26

Dan Rather is trying to wrap up his career at CBS News by attacking the service record of a young Texan who enlisted in the Air Force Reserve. This Texan then completed the very difficult pilot training program and later flew the dangerous F-102 supersonic jet fighter.

But what of the military record of another Texan, now a very controversial news anchor-star who condemns our president at every turn.

Little is know, because DAN RATHER WON'T RELEASE THE RECORDS.

We know this. Dan Rather enlisted in the United States Marines on or about January 22, 1954. It was the height of the Korean War. Young Americans were dying in a far-off Asian country.

Rather would have undoubtedly reported to Parris Island, South Carolina or the Marine Corps Depot at San Diego, California for Marine Boot Camp.

We all know the first few weeks in the Marines are tough, but now we have learned that Rather couldn't cut it! He was discharged from the Marines on or about May 11, 1954!

According to Rather, it was because he had rheumatic fever as a boy and the Marines were too stressful for him. That may be true.

Of course, this is the man who later climbed the mountains of Afghanistan as "Gunda Dan" and wrestled with security guards at the 1968 Democratic National Convention. He still works full days at age 71, and at last report, no one has seen suplemental oxygen on the set at CBS. Dan and his rheumatic fever also endured the heat and "conditions" of Vietnam (made much easier by an air conditioned luxury hotel room in Saigon every night.)

So what's the truth Dan? Where is your substantiation that it was a medical problem? Where are the records? Certainly you have them? If you don't, I'm sure the Navy/Marines have them and will be glad to release them as soon as you give them the green light.

With you calling for the release of President Bush’s records (and helping promote obvious forgeries of his official Air Force records,) what possible excuse could you have for not setting an example and releasing your own records?.

If you won’t tell us, Dan, that's Ok. Others will.

This is an open call to anyone who trained with Dan Rather back in 1954. Were you in Marine Boot Camp with Rather? Was he a good Marine trainee... or a slacker? Why was he discharged? Was it medical, or something much more ominous?

If you or someone you know was with Dan Rather in the Marines, please let us know by private FReepmail ASAP. We’ll get the names to the right people.

Actually, we won’t need those eye witnesses, because surely, Dan will give us the official records to back up his story.... won’t you Dan?

If Rather is a USMC washout, that will explain many things. It may also explain why a man who spent four months in the Marines, then perhaps cut and ran, has a special affinity for another man who served four months in combat, then cut and ran.....

Frankly Dan, I hope this possibility isn't true. I hope you were a good Marine trainee. But time…. and the records… will tell.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: marines; militaryrecord; rather; usmc
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To: Broker
>medically unfit.

Right, but as many pages of that book point out, many walking frauds claim things about their military service that are untrue.

All we're asking Dan for is some simple substantiation. Was it medical, or something else? If medical, was it physical, or something else?

Not accusing. Just asking.

Remember old UPI motto. "If your mother says she loves you; check it out."

We only ask that Dan's 1954 medical records not be from MS Word and a laser printer!
41 posted on 09/15/2004 6:04:57 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: MindBender26

"Dan Rather enlisted in the United States Marines on or about January 22, 1954. It was the height of the Korean War. Young Americans were dying in a far-off Asian country. "

January 22, 1954 was not the height of anything. The Korean War had ended. Attacks that are otherwise meritorious work a lot better when they don't start wtih howlers like this.


42 posted on 09/15/2004 6:19:48 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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To: MindBender26
Ahem,

I just found some documents that were in the bottom of my birdcage for a long time, they conclusively prove that Dan sought a way out of the Marines, and was given the boot (not the camp, but fired) for spending all his time high on PCP, and playing Mario Brothers, um Pong. If you want I can send you a copy of the Word Document Fax you a copy

</Sarcasm>
43 posted on 09/15/2004 6:21:32 PM PDT by DelphiUser (The only good thing about Kerry is he comes with his own Ketchup)
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To: Izzy Dunne
I don't think we need this - Gunga Dan is not running for office...

Maybe HE isn't running for office, BUT HE IS WORKING FOR THE KERRY CAMPAIGN. Let's just see what kind of loser he really is.

44 posted on 09/15/2004 6:22:42 PM PDT by zip ((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans))
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To: Taquito
I thought the Korean war ended in 1953.

Well, it's been awhile since I taught World History, but it was July of 1953, I think. Of course it was only a cease fire. So technically, the Korean War is still going on.

45 posted on 09/15/2004 6:24:08 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1A: Any mission. Any conditions. Any foe. At any range.)
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To: MindBender26

This is only a story if Rather goes around touting his record as a Marine.


46 posted on 09/15/2004 6:25:05 PM PDT by Petronski (Pajamarazzi power!)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

You might want to read #34 above..... and howl away.


47 posted on 09/15/2004 6:25:27 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: MindBender26

"According to Rather, it was because he had rheumatic fever as a boy and the Marines were too stressful for him. "

Honey "reality" is always stressful for utopia elitist liberals. That is why they make it their bread and butter to sit back and punt n pontificate ad infinitum(makes them look busy) while the rest of us WORK producing actual material goods and foods.


48 posted on 09/15/2004 6:27:52 PM PDT by SunnySide
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To: MindBender26

In 1954, basic trainging was 3 months long, so Danny boy finished Basic Training. It was something later.


49 posted on 09/15/2004 6:28:45 PM PDT by tillacum (Poor kerry, he's told so many flip-flops, he thinks he's running for president, is he or isn't he?)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

Truce talks began July 10, 1951. Treaty signed July 27, 1953. "Over half the US casualties happened after the truce talks began."

I haven't found a list of casualties year by year, and do not challenge that things remained dangerous even after the war ended, but it sure was not the height of the war in January 1954.


50 posted on 09/15/2004 6:29:05 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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To: elbucko

Ya hafta wonder - if Dan was born in 1932, he would've been of prime draft age as the Koren War was heating up. Even if he didn't get drafted, why did he wait until he was 22 years old (1954) to enlist in the USMC?


51 posted on 09/15/2004 6:29:07 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: MindBender26

I think that this is a rather unproductive line of attack in ordert o get the truth over the memos out.


52 posted on 09/15/2004 6:29:49 PM PDT by Tempest (Don't blame me, I'm voting for Bush.)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

Dan Rather, prior to enlisting in USMC, joined the Army Reserves in college, to avoid being drafted into the Korean conflict--1950-1953. As soon as the war ended, he quit the reserves and enlisted in the Marine Corps. He was given a medical discharge which he claims was for prior reuhmatic fever but could have just as easily been for sleeping walking, fainting spells or chronic bed-wetting--all maladies that can be faked. His medical discharge, granted before he completed boot camp, ended his military obligation and he could no longer be drafted.


53 posted on 09/15/2004 6:37:16 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Izzy Dunne
I agree, I think it's terribly bad form to be besmirching the military service records of anybody that served or even questioning the reasons for those who didn't serve. I would not have advocated this for Kerry had HE not made it open territory by using it as the mainstay of his run for President. That action made his actions fair game. But Danno isn't running for President and he hasn't made his service record an issue. That's my .02
54 posted on 09/15/2004 6:39:47 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1A: Any mission. Any conditions. Any foe. At any range.)
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To: MindBender26; All; Howlin; Timesink; Mr. Silverback; Utah Girl; Happy2BMe; ...

http://wcbs880.com/bios/local_bio_135082058/

He was born Oct. 31, 1931 in Wharton, Texas. In 1953, he received a bachelor's degree in journalism from Sam Houston State Teachers College, where he spent the following year as a journalism instructor. He also attended the University of Houston and the South Texas School of Law.


Rather began his career in journalism in 1950 as an Associated Press reporter in Huntsville, Texas. Later, he was a reporter for United Press International (1950-52), KSAM Radio in Huntsville (1950-53), KTRH Radio in Houston and the Houston Chronicle (1954-55). He became news director of KTRH in 1956 and a reporter for KTRK-TV Houston in 1959. Prior to joining CBS News, Rather was news director for KHOU-TV, the CBS affiliate in Houston.

http://www.fact-index.com/d/da/dan_rather.html


Biography
Daniel Irvin Rather was born in Wharton, Texas. In 1953, he received a bachelor's degree in journalism from Sam Houston State Teachers College. Rather began his career in journalism in 1950 as an Associated Press reporter in Huntsville, Texas. Later, he was a reporter for United Press International (1950-1952), several Texas radio stations, and the Houston Chronicle (1954-1955). In 1959, he entered television as a reporter for KTRK-TV in Houston. Prior to joining CBS News, Rather was news director for KHOU-TV, the CBS affiliate in Houston.

Rather joined CBS News as a correspondent in 1962. Rather—quite by accident, as described in his autobiography—was the first journalist to report that President John F. Kennedy had died of wounds received from an assassin.

His reporting throughout the Kennedy assassination and subsequent events brought him to the attention of CBS News management, which rewarded him with the White House beat in 1964. After serving as a foreign correspondent for CBS News, he drew the assignment as primary anchor for the CBS Weekend News, while serving as White House correspondent during the Richard Nixon presidency.

An assignment as correspondent to the legendary news broadcast 60 Minutes brought him in line to succeed Walter Cronkite as main anchor of the CBS Evening News. He assumed the position upon Cronkite's retirement, his first broadcast taking place on March 9, 1981. From the beginning of his tenure, it was clear that Rather had a significantly different style of reporting the news. As opposed to Walter Cronkite, who ended his newscast with "That's the way it is." Dan Rather tentatively ended the show with "That's part of our world tonight." During the 1980s, Rather tried ending his broadcasts with the word "courage" and was roundly ridiculed for it.

Rather's position at CBS was not helped when viewership for the news broadcast he anchored declined precipitously. Rather won the audience back for a time during the early 1980s, but as CBS went through an institutional crisis and ultimate purchase by Larry Tisch, the viewership levels fell.

In 1984, Tisch oversaw the layoffs of thousands of CBS News employees, including numerous correspondents such as David Andelman, Fred Graham, Morton Dean, and Ike Pappas. Fewer videotape crews were dispatched to cover stories, numerous bureaus were shuttered. The Evening News was transformed overnight from a newscast featuring enterprise reports from seasoned CBS News correspondents to one where Rather would read "voice-over" stories to footage shot by other news organizations. The events depicted in the movie Broadcast News are thought to closely parallel those of CBS' downsizing; Rather is thought by many to be the model for the part played by Jack Nicholson, the anchor whose own astronomical salary was deemed sacrosanct as the little people were let go.

For a short time from 1993 to 1995, Rather co-anchored the evening news with Connie Chung. The experiment was cancelled however, and Rather went back to doing the newscast solo.

As of early 2003, the CBS Evening News is in third place in terms of viewership, behind NBC Nightly News and ABC World News Tonight. Rather has not released any details of his retirement plans.


Stirring up controversy
Always a controversial figure, Rather's personality tended to divide audiences; they either love him or hate him.


Disliked in Nixon White House
During the presidency of Richard Nixon, conservative political figures accused him of being unfair in his coverage. At a Houston, Texas news conference in 1974, Nixon fielded a question from a ABC reporter, but Rather, still CBS's White House correspondent, jumped in: "Thank you, Mr. President. Dan Rather, of CBS News. Mr. President..." The room filled with jeers and applause, prompting Nixon to joke "Are you running for something?" Rather replied "No, sir, Mr. President. Are you?"

CBS apparently considered firing Rather and its news president met with administration official John Ehrlichman to discuss the situation. According to NBC's Tom Brokaw, the network considered hiring him as its White House correspondent to replace Rather. But CBS' plans to do so were scrapped after word was leaked to the press.


Reagan and Bush
In the 1980s, Rather became a hero to many American liberals for his tough, skeptical reporting on the Iran-Contra Affair which led to a famous on-air confrontation he had with then-vice-president George H. W. Bush. The incident is widely believed to have been pivotal in Bush's campaign to win the presidency in the 1988 election. It also marked the beginning of Rather's ratings decline, a slump from which he has never recovered. Bush never forgave him and refused to grant Rather an interview after their initial tangle. His son, George W. Bush has apparently followed suit, and has thus far declined to grant Rather an interview during his presidency.


Soft on Democrats?
Up until the presidency of Bill Clinton, Rather's reputation as a skeptical journalist was unquestioned. That changed during the Clinton years when his critics accused Rather of going easy on the president. During Clinton's impeachment, Rather was a vocal defender of the president and a persistent critic of Kenneth Starr, one of the independent counsels appointed to investigate allegations of corruption within the administration.

Rather's critics gained further ammunition when the CBS anchor was revealed by The Washington Post to have raised money for the Democratic Party of Texas. The incident dogged Rather for weeks and he was asked about it repeatedly by fellow journalists.


Journalistic views
As one of the last people from broadcast news' zenith, Rather is highly regarded within his profession by traditionalist journalists who try to emulate the style of print and radio news. Many of those who have since come into the field dislike Rather's "old-fashioned" views and formal tone. This conflict most recently came to light when he refused to run stories about Chandra Levy, a former intern who went missing for several months before being found dead in a suburban Washington park.
During most of the search for Levy, Rather refused to run any stories about the case and routinely condemned his colleagues for making a big deal about the event.

Shortly thereafter in 2002, the American press began focusing on kidnappings (especially of young white girls like Elizabeth Smart). This time, Rather followed suit in reporting the story. His defenders interpreted the move as an indication that Rather's power for traditionalism within CBS News had declined. His critics argued it was another proof of Rather's liberal bias because one of the prime figures in the Levy case was a Democratic congressman, Gary Condit.


Rather bizarre
Rather has been involved in a number of strange incidents over the years, all seemingly random occurrences without connection, except for the anchorman himself.


1968 Democratic convention
During live coverage of the 1968 Democratic National Convention, Rather attempted to interview a delegate who appeared as though he were being forcibly removed by men without identification badges. As Rather approached the delegate to question the apparent strong-armed tactics of the Chicago political machine, he was punched in the stomach by one of the men knocking him to the ground. "He lifted me right off the floor and put me away. I was down, the breath knocked out of me, as the whole group blew on by me... In the CBS control room, they had switched the camera onto me just as I was slugged."

"Kenneth, what is the frequency?"
In October 1986, as Rather was walking along Park Avenue in Manhattan to his apartment, he was accosted and punched from behind by a well-dressed man who demanded to know, "Kenneth, what is the frequency?" As the assailant continued to pummel and kick Rather, he kept repeating the question over and over again. In describing the incident, Rather said, "I got mugged. Who understands these things? I didn't and I don't now. I didn't make a lot of it at the time and I don't now. I wish I knew who did it and why, but I have no idea." The bizarre incident and Rather's account led some even to doubt the veracity of Rather's story. Nevertheless, the story entered popular lore and remained unsolved for some time. The incident inspired the 1994 R.E.M song "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" It became the subject of many jokes over the years and slang for a confused or clueless person.
In 1997, the mystery of the "Kenneth" incident appeared to be solved. When the New York Daily News published a photo of William Tager, Rather identified him as his assailant. "There's no doubt in my mind that this is the person," Rather said. Tager is currently serving a 25-year prison sentence for killing an NBC stagehand outside the Today show studio. Tager apparently was convinced that the news media was beaming signals into his head. He demanded that Rather tell him the frequency of the signals. As to why he referred to Rather as "Kenneth" remains a mystery.


Dead air
On September 11, 1987, Rather marched off the set of the CBS Evening News when a tennis match threatened to cut into his broadcast. The Graf-McNeil tennis match ended sooner than expected at 6:32 p.m., but Rather was nowhere to be found. Over 100 affiliates were left scrambling with an embarrassing six minutes of dead air. By the time Rather was found and placed before the camera, most of the audience had already tuned out. Much criticism was hurled in Rather's direction. Walter Cronkite told a reporter, "I would have fired him. There's no excuse for it." Rather issued a written statement later that week that stopped short of apologizing, apparently a large enough gesture to save his job.

"Ratherisms"
Rather is known for his many off-the-cuff colorful analogies and descriptions while filling the air during live broadcasts. These "Ratherisms" are also known as "Texanisms" or "Danisms" by some. A few of the more colorful ones from the 2000 Election include:

"This race is shakier than cafeteria Jello."
"Don't bet the trailer money on it yet."
"It's a ding dong battle back and forth."
"His chances are slim right now and if he doesn't carry Florida, slim will have left town."
"We said earlier in the evening at one point that Governor Bush would probably be as mad as a rained-on rooster."
"The polls have been veering and wobbling so much that neither NASA nor the Russian Cosmodrome could track 'em in some cases."
Referred to California as "the big burrito."

Pop culture figure
Though his popularity and ratings have declined, Rather's apparent affinity for the bizarre has made him into an ironic pop-culture icon. He has been lampooned numerous times by the show Saturday Night Live and several films. Besides the R.E.M. song mentioned above, Rather has also been the subject of a cut by the band Evolution Control Committee called "Rocked By Rape".
Newspapers and magazines are fond of compiling his expressions and many people enjoy tuning in to Rather's broadcasts in the hopes he'll say something amusing.


55 posted on 09/15/2004 6:44:14 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Want to know why I don't vote Democrat?" http://www.museumofleftwinglunacy.com)
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To: MindBender26
According to Rather, it was because he had rheumatic fever as a boy and the Marines were too stressful for him. That may be true.

I too had rheumatic fever as a youngster, yet I made it through Army basic training with no problems.

Of course, there are degrees of rheumatic fever, some attacks damage the heart, some don't. So, I'll cut ol' Dan some slack here.

56 posted on 09/15/2004 6:44:22 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: frog_jerk_2004

Upstanding!!

Just give 'em enough rope and they hang themselves.


57 posted on 09/15/2004 6:47:20 PM PDT by wizr (Without the War on Terror, you only have the Terror. Ask a Russian.)
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To: MindBender26

It may also explain why a man who spent four months in the Marines, then perhaps cut and ran, has a special affinity for another man who served four months in combat, then cut and ran



Seems the number 4 is bad luck for Libs. Especially 4 MORE YEARS.


58 posted on 09/15/2004 6:50:26 PM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: tillacum
What about a Boot training recycle, plus admin time. If he had graduated from Boot, certainly there would be pictures of him in his graduation khaki.

Was he a "baby blue Marine?"

Don't know, just asking....
59 posted on 09/15/2004 6:51:31 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Kill all Islamic terrorists now. Then they cannot kill our sons and daughters tomorrow)
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To: MindBender26
MindBender26 is absolutely right, except he forgot to add "credibility".

This is not rocket science. Dan-no-boy's career success (& all MSM, not just that of CBS) up to now was based on people finding him credible and believing the message.

This longer holds true, with the exception of the sheeple.
60 posted on 09/15/2004 6:51:41 PM PDT by pooh fan ("Strong, the pull of the Dark Side is". Yoda)
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