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Old Media and New Media..Like it or not, they're partners (FREEREPUBLIC IN THE NEWS)
REASON ^ | September 15, 2004 | Jesse Walker

Posted on 09/15/2004 2:22:15 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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To: SWake
What exactly did the MSM add to the story?

They discovered a Kinko's in Abilene. One of the weaknesses, at least now, that I see with amateur sleuths is that they fail to question the key witnesses, and maybe are still 'camera-shy'. Both of those things may change. But I do agree with the article in that the old media is certainly capable of keeping up with a 'blogworld' compressed news cycle. But not all the old media. CBS is a tragic example. But ABC and NBC can't be much better. CNN is probably blinded by that bias this writer loathes. But not every network, and not every newspaper, or magazine with their relatively LONNNGG views of the news, are similarly hampered. It is more than a partership, an audit by both on both. And as it might become more a partnership for some 'blogs', in future, then more money chasing a story in that way could encourage problems of its own. I think I'd rather take a chance that way, however.

41 posted on 09/16/2004 6:18:47 PM PDT by sevry
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To: SWake
What exactly did the MSM add to the story?

They discovered a Kinko's in Abilene. One of the weaknesses, at least now, that I see with amateur sleuths is that they fail to question the key witnesses, and maybe are still 'camera-shy'. Both of those things may change. But I do agree with the article in that the old media is certainly capable of keeping up with a 'blogworld' compressed news cycle. But not all the old media. CBS is a tragic example. But ABC and NBC can't be much better. CNN is probably blinded by that bias this writer loathes. But not every network, and not every newspaper, or magazine with their relatively LONNNGG views of the news, are similarly hampered. It is more than a partership, an audit by both on both. And as it might become more a partnership for some 'blogs', in future, then more money chasing a story in that way could encourage problems of its own. I think I'd rather take a chance that way, however.

42 posted on 09/16/2004 6:18:47 PM PDT by sevry
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To: GVgirl
Suddenly in the last few days, we are highlighted "Bloggers" affectionately embraced on the nightly news. A sea change indeed.

Beware, beware -- it's love-bombing, the Hug of Death.

A generation ago it was called co-optation.

They're trying to get you to go to sleep, like that warm, fuzzy, protected feeling people get when they're lying in the snow, freezing to death.

Better if the bad guys kick you in the teeth every 30 minutes.

43 posted on 09/16/2004 6:28:04 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: elbucko
No, I consider the likes of Dan Rather to be closer to the NYT's Walter Duranty, Stalin's shill.

Sorry, that shill job's still filled by "red diaper" historian Eric Foner of Columbia.

Maybe Duranty is an assistant or adjunct shill? Or shill emeritus?

44 posted on 09/16/2004 6:30:59 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Honorary Serb
All too many commentators have been emphasizing the "homophobia" on FR, from Jerome Corsi and from Freepers in general. (They say that Corsi posts "homophobic" comments on the "homophobic" website FreeRepublic.)

Who the heck is Jerome Corsi? I read the gay threads and post there, too -- and I don't know anyone by the name of Jerome Corsi. What handle does he post under?

45 posted on 09/16/2004 6:34:37 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Thrusher
This is HUGH! And series!

My beeber is stuned!

46 posted on 09/16/2004 6:38:48 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: sevry
They discovered a Kinko's in Abilene.

Thanks. I didn't know who uncovered this.

It is more than a partership, an audit by both on both.

That, I absolutely agree with ... and pray it continues to work that way.

47 posted on 09/16/2004 6:39:35 PM PDT by SWake ("Estrada was savaged by liars and abandoned by cowards." Mark Davis, WBAP, 09/09/2003)
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To: Honorary Serb
"FR has been making the news a lot lately--I keep following it on Google News. All too many commentators have been emphasizing the "homophobia" on FR, from Jerome Corsi and from Freepers in general. (They say that Corsi posts "homophobic" comments on the "homophobic" website FreeRepublic.) It figures!!!!"

Guess it depends on your definition of "homophobic." To homosexuals and the media and liberals in general, you are homophobic if you believe in God. You are homophobic if you believe in traditional American values. You are homophobic if you believe homosexual marriage is wrong. You are homophobic if you object to public schools and the media teaching our young that homosexuality is perfectly normal. You are homophobic if you object to our schools teaching our young children that oral sex is not sex and that "fisting" is a normal and healthy activity. You are homophobic if you object to our schools encouraging our young people to experiment with homosexual acts. You are homophobic if you object to and resist the militant homosexual political agenda.

48 posted on 09/16/2004 6:46:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: fight_truth_decay
Meanwhile, many of the blogs leading the charge against CBS are themselves notoriously biased.

This true. However, the bloggers never claimed that they not biased or agenda driven. There are parallels between the Bush - Kerry military records and the CBS - FReepers etc.

Bush never claimed to be a war hero; in fat he has said he made mistakes in his youth. So talking about his guard duty is about as newsworthy as "dog bites man." Kerry tried to make his 4 months in Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign. Discrepancies about his military record in thus newsworthy (Man bites dog).

CBS has for years tried to pass itself off as nothing more than an impartial messenger of the news. It has as much of an agenda as the bloggers and we FReepers. However, it has always sugarcoated its agenda sufficiently to give it plausible inability. With memogate, its actions were so transparent that its agenda was revealed for all to see. It can never try to pass itself off as impartial again.

Everyone has an agenda. The difference between the old media and the new media is that the old media has continued to try to live the lie of impartiality.

49 posted on 09/16/2004 6:55:05 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I don't believe in liberalism, but it does bother me if people only read FR.

That does not aid in an ability to think critically about all viewpoints.


50 posted on 09/16/2004 7:12:12 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: rwfromkansas; tx_eggman; netmilsmom
I don't believe in liberalism, but it does bother me if people only read FR.

That does not aid in an ability to think critically about all viewpoints.

Before becoming a Freeper, I haunted a bulletin board maintained by C-Span which gradually lost posters and had only about ten or so when I left. I felt that I learned from the experience, but I don't miss it at all because I came to understand that leftist arguments are a twice-told tale.

I think at some point you have to have the courage to say, "Been there, done that, got the tee shirt."

Someone was pointing out Juan Williams floating a trial baloon on one show and, half an hour later, floating it again on another show after it had once been shot down. And I think that not atypical of leftists; they attempt to prevent judgement from being final even though their argument is a transparent grasping at straws.


51 posted on 09/16/2004 7:31:07 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Jim Robinson; TonyRo76

According to that definition, I may be the number one "homophobe" on FR!!!! Or close to it, anyway.

However, I'm one of the people who doesn't think that "homophobe" is a real word. "Fear of the same"? And much of my anti-gay sentiment is a reaction to the aggresive and disgusting way that the gay lobby has been destroying my (Lutheran) church!!!!

Before liberal commentators label and demonize us, they should realize where we're comming from.


52 posted on 09/16/2004 8:11:02 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kerry is an empty suit, and Soros is his puppet-master!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Jerome Corsi is the coauthor--with John O'Neill, of Unfit for Command, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth book and major-league best-seller! He is also a Freeper--use Google News with his name and FreeRepublic, and I'm sure you can find his screen-name--I don't recall what it is. (He admitted on FR that he is Jerome Corsi, which is how his identity became known to the press.)

That all goes to show you that you don't have to post on "gay threads" to be labeled "homophobic" by the presstitutes. I myself mainly post on Serbian, Lutheran, and Orthodox threads. But that's enough to get me labeled "homophobic", among other things.

53 posted on 09/16/2004 8:25:19 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kerry is an empty suit, and Soros is his puppet-master!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
A generation ago it was called co-optation

I suppose tracking website hits could replace the Nielsens. And the warm, fuzzy, protected feeling comes when they pander to you just before they take away the forum.

54 posted on 09/16/2004 8:42:51 PM PDT by GVnana (If I had a Buckhead moment would I know it?)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

What he doesn't seem to understand is that FR posters post news from all sources, not just our own writing. Seems he hasn't really visited here if that is what he thinks.


55 posted on 09/16/2004 8:47:02 PM PDT by ladyinred ("John Kerry reporting for spitball and typewriter duty.")
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To: lentulusgracchus
Sorry, that shill job's still filled by "red diaper" historian Eric Foner of Columbia.

Well, that's a relief. I wondered where the ghost of that old Irish commie had gotten to. Although, if his rotten red soul is a "red diaper" now, it would seem he's converted in the afterlife. AAMOF, I have offended, at times, some the Jewish members of FR with my attacks on communists that just happen to have Jewish surnames. However, I am equally as critical of the non-Semitic, Walter Duranty commies of this world. The only group of people that I admit to truly having ill will for is communists/socialists. As an Irish-American myself, Duranty is a personally evil example to me. But ethnic group or race is irrelevant to my politics. If one is a "commie", to me, one is a "dirty commie". Be they red diaper, silver spoon or shamrock green

Regards, Buck.

56 posted on 09/16/2004 9:09:19 PM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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