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American Indian man says he'll ask Lewis and Clark team to leave
oregonlive.com ^ | 9/15/2004

Posted on 09/15/2004 12:50:23 PM PDT by Horatio Gates

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Mr. Plume, go to the casino, have a drink, and get over it.
1 posted on 09/15/2004 12:50:25 PM PDT by Horatio Gates
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To: shotokan
Awww.
I think White Cloud and the Lacotas need to tie kerosene soaked rags around their ankles so the fire ants don't crawl up their legs and eat their candy butts.
2 posted on 09/15/2004 12:58:24 PM PDT by Tweaker
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To: shotokan

Don't you hate it when someone drags up a painful memory of something that happened 200 years ago? Of course, we were all much younger then.


3 posted on 09/15/2004 1:01:05 PM PDT by Spok
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To: shotokan
the land we took from them

is land they took from others.


4 posted on 09/15/2004 1:03:08 PM PDT by phxaz (w: 7 minutes of composure. kerry: 37 minutes of paralysis.)
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To: Spok

>>The treaty designated 60 million acres, including land in present-day South Dakota, as the Great Sioux Reservation. Another part of the treaty encouraged Indians to become farmers.

White Plume has drawn interest in recent years with attempts to grow hemp as a cash crop.<<

BWAA-HA-HA-HA!


5 posted on 09/15/2004 1:03:40 PM PDT by dangus
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To: shotokan
"They're just opening up all the old wounds that we're still trying to heal from," Alex White Plume said.

I understand his pain. Every time I see a potato I can't help but bust into tears in remembrance of the great Irish famine.
6 posted on 09/15/2004 1:04:04 PM PDT by Jaysun (The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action)
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To: shotokan

"Unhealed"? After eight generations of government checks?
Guess that kills the reparations argument, then...


7 posted on 09/15/2004 1:06:29 PM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: shotokan

I don't think they have a casino that that res, out in the middle of nowhere.


8 posted on 09/15/2004 1:07:22 PM PDT by markman46
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To: Tweaker

reservtions here: rez girls with commod bods in pick-ups chasing dogs (thousands running loose) off life. through the incredible litter that is everywhere. i dont know about the men.


9 posted on 09/15/2004 1:08:23 PM PDT by phxaz (w: 7 minutes of composure. kerry: 37 minutes of paralysis.)
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To: Spok

If I had only know then what I know now...


10 posted on 09/15/2004 1:11:18 PM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: shotokan
Tribes all along the Lewis and Clark Trail are making money from the bicentennial and all the tourists retracing the route. These folks are missing out on dollars that could help Tribe members.
11 posted on 09/15/2004 1:12:30 PM PDT by socal_parrot (John Kerry is so 9/10.)
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To: phxaz

In the case of the Sioux, you are probably wrong. The upper Great Plains were largely uninhabitable to Indians peoples; it is dry, barren and prone to temperature extremes. Thus, both farming and even hunting-and-gathering are impractical. Contrary to their legends, the Sioux almost certainly came from Western New York and the Allegheny region. As white man encroached, the Sioux found that, with horses, previously uninhabitable areas to their west offered a new way of life, and moved West rather than fighting for the lands they were more familiar with. With the advantages they gained from white men, they were able to live in this new land as well as they had lived in their ancient homelands.

MOst of the time, I defend the white man's taking of "Indian lands" by pointing out that Indians had never really possessed the lands in the first place. The Indian population density was at its greatest about 1 person per square mile in the U.S. We were moving into largely empty land.

However, the means we used of doing so were unenlightened, un-Christian, and sometimes simply vicious. While areas of the East coast now team with population densities in the tens of thousands, South Dakota is still largely uninhabited. The abuse of the Sioux was entirely unnecessary and unjust.


12 posted on 09/15/2004 1:14:55 PM PDT by dangus
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To: shotokan

I'm always curious when I read about lakota gripes over land. A tribe of 5-7 thousand people, in its glorious past, supposedly today lays claim to places as far removed as Minnesota to Wyoming and Montana. The lakota people never bother to explain that "their" lands once belonged to other peoples, some of whom no longer exist.You can be sure these lands were not acquired by treaty


13 posted on 09/15/2004 1:15:15 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (" You have never tasted freedom my friend, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold, but w)
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To: shotokan

Dammit, give everyone guns and lets settle this mess once and for all. Personally, I'm rooting for the Indians for a change.


14 posted on 09/15/2004 1:18:06 PM PDT by Casloy
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To: dangus
From what I understand, Lewis and Clark originally got a "cool" reception from the Sioux.
15 posted on 09/15/2004 1:20:03 PM PDT by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: shotokan

When the Europeans first came to the Americas, the rule in place on these continents was very simple: "If someone has something you want, kill him and take it." This is how the Aztecs and the Incas conquered their empires. This is how many of the various American Indian tribes operated, but the Europeans, with their superior organizational skills and technology, were a lot better at it.

Some of my ancestors were the Huron, and it was not the White Man who decimated them and drove them from their homes, it was the damned Iroquois, and if there were enough of us left, we would go to war against them.

Our problem was that we allied ourselves with the French white men, and they were not as good as fighters as the English white men, something that is true to this day. Of course, we were not as good as fighters as the Iroquois, so that may have had something to do with it.

My point: relay the whole history.


16 posted on 09/15/2004 1:31:03 PM PDT by sima_yi
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To: shotokan

From the land of sky blue whiners, thumpa thump thump.


17 posted on 09/15/2004 1:58:48 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: markman46

Actually there is a nearby casino. If you consider Chamberlain the “middle of nowhere” you might as well consider all of South Dakota to be such a place. All he would have to do is visit the Load Star Casino. I think you would be surprised how many casinos there are in South Dakota on the various reservations in the “middle of nowhere.”


18 posted on 09/15/2004 2:03:05 PM PDT by activationproducts
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To: socal_parrot

How's that medical research project on Lewis and Clark coming along? That was you, right?


19 posted on 09/15/2004 2:37:24 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (Proud sponsor of the Global Consumer Imperative)
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To: shotokan
The latest book I am reading is a book by a Dr. from UC San Diego that analyzes the expedition from a medical perspective. So far, it's a lot of mercury and laxatives. It's been slow going because I also just got Unfit for Command and Hugh Hewitt's new book.
20 posted on 09/15/2004 2:43:34 PM PDT by socal_parrot (John Kerry is so 9/10.)
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