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Powerline Blog Rips Into Tomorrow's Dog Trainer! (MUST READ!!!)
PowerlineBlog ^ | 09/14/04 | Powlerline Bloggers

Posted on 09/14/2004 11:33:23 PM PDT by goldstategop

Tomorrow's Los Angeles Times features an editorial criticizing CBS News for letting down the liberals by publicizing a forgery--well, not so much a forgery, but an obvious forgery: "A Black Eye for CBS News":

CBS News has been had. It's hard to reach any other conclusion about newly discovered documents that CBS and anchor Dan Rather are defending as revealing the truth about George W. Bush's military service. Despite Rather's statement Monday that the network "believes the documents are authentic," the evidence keeps mounting that they are not. As The Times reported, conservative bloggers detected glaring inconsistencies, such as a Microsoft Word type style. So many other discrepancies have since emerged that it would require a willful suspension of disbelief to take them as merely coincidental.

What outrages the L.A. Times, however, is not so much that CBS tried to perpetrate a fraud, as that it failed to help the Kerry campaign, as it intended:

CBS' real error was trying to prove a point that didn't really need to be proved. It doesn't take documents for anyone to realize that Bush pulled strings to get into the National Guard. And, during the Vietnam draft, nobody went into the National Guard out of passion to defend his country. It also doesn't take new documents to establish that Bush shirked even his National Guard duties when he moved to Alabama and then to Harvard Business School. CBS may have managed to place Bush's Vietnam-era service off-limits as a campaign issue, after weeks when John F. Kerry's impressive record has been under savage attack. Bush gave a smirky speech Monday to the National Guard Assn., waxing on about the patriotic sacrifices of the Guard's men and women over the years.

It's somewhat revealing that the Times acknowledges that President Bush's inadequate National Guard service "didn't really need to be proved." Really? Why not? The Times says it doesn't take documents to show that Bush "pulled strings to get into the National Guard," but the fact is that there is no evidence whatsoever, documentary or otherwise, of such string-pulling. And the Times' claim that Bush "shirked...his National Guard duties" when he went to Harvard Business School is ridiculous, since he had been honorably discharged from the Guard by that time.

And what's with the "smirky speech" to the National Guard Association, in which President Bush was "waxing on about the patriotic sacrifices of the Guard's men and women"? Is it really news to the Times that National Guardsmen make sacrifices? Is there something inappropriate about the President recognizing those sacrifices? And what, exactly, was "smirky" about the speech? What sort of speech does the L.A. Times think a President of the United States should give to the National Guard Association?

It is revealing that even a hard-left, unreconstructed Republican-hating organization like the L.A. Times, while gnashing its teeth in impotent rage over what looks like the impending defeat of its candidate, John Kerry, still feels compelled to admit that the CBS News documents were forged.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dogtrainer; latimes; ngspeech; partisanmediabias; powerlineblog; presidentbush; tang
The Dog Trainer has finally broken its silence bewailing how the CBS forgeries put President Bush's Vietnam-era service off-limits as a campaign issue while ridiculing the President for honoring fellow National Guard Veterans. Its does not look good for their favored candidate, John Kerry so this admission is like pulling teeth from them. Another sign the day the liberal media decided what was and what wasn't news is over. Given their hard left bias, its quite a retreat in the face of the artillery barrage from the blogosphere (whom they still haughtily dismiss as those "conservative bloggers") and there's no end in sight to the assault. The partisan media has been sent reeling. Trust me, the way the Powerline bloggers ripped into the DT's editorial tomorrow will not make the folks on Spring Street in Los Angeles happy.
1 posted on 09/14/2004 11:33:24 PM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop; Admin Moderator
Good post, but "Dog Trainer?" Nobody knows that's the LA Times.
2 posted on 09/14/2004 11:39:35 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Hey, KERRY! We said it to Saddam, and now to you -- If you have nothing to hide, QUIT HIDING IT!)
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To: goldstategop
Whatever Dan Rather's expert advice was regarding the Killian memos before he broadcast them, he is now privy to the conclusions of many document experts, Killian's family members, his personal secretary and others.

Yet he still claims that the documents are not frauds inspite of all this new overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This tells me everything about Mr. Rather that I need to know. He is utterly blinded by his hatred for Pres. Bush and the Republican Party, and he is willing to sink in a sea of disgrace that he created all by himself rather than admit his error.

3 posted on 09/14/2004 11:41:48 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: goldstategop
"CBS' real error was trying to prove a point that didn't really need to be proved. It doesn't take documents for anyone to realize that Bush pulled strings to get into the National Guard. And, during the Vietnam draft, nobody went into the National Guard out of passion to defend his country."

And, oh darn, Kerry didn't try to get a school deferment and lost and then joined the relative safety of the Naval Reserve, only to be activated shortly thereafter. And then his heroship volunteered for the safety of coastal Swift Boat patrol, only to find the mission had changed, and he bugged out after getting some scratches and PH's. On and on and on and on...

Do these lame a## reporter types have any idea of the difference between a jet jockey and a Public Affairs Officer on a destroyer? Just piloting one of those absolete F-102 aircraft was an every life threatening experience. I'm getting sick of this crap!

Being an ex-airdale, I know the difference between floating about at sea and aircraft dealing hourly with their dangerous missions, combat or not.

4 posted on 09/14/2004 11:44:45 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.opgratitude.com)
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To: TheCrusader
and he is willing to sink in a sea of disgrace that he created all by himself rather than admit his error.

What error, this was intentional. He admits it, it'll set the rats back like 2 years in elections.

He's just going to try and wait it out, and hope that his stubborness saves him. If this keeps snowballing and peaks near election time, CBS will be FUBAR.

This story still hasn't peaked yet, the dems keep pushing it, and keeping it alive.

5 posted on 09/14/2004 11:46:18 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: A Navy Vet

every life = every [day] life


6 posted on 09/14/2004 11:47:40 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.opgratitude.com)
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To: L.N. Smithee

Hehehe.... according to Patterico, all they're worth is for daily scoops. And I do NOT mean the inside of their all too predictable pages. ;-)


7 posted on 09/14/2004 11:49:51 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: L.N. Smithee

Oh sure you do....cause after all when you need to hit that puppy on the snout what else would you use but the LA Times....cause you wouldn't want to mess up a real mewspaper....BWAAHAHAHHAHAHA


8 posted on 09/15/2004 12:17:21 AM PDT by jnarcus
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To: goldstategop

Breathtaking isn't it?


9 posted on 09/15/2004 12:31:15 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: goldstategop

"Is it really news to the Times that National Guardsmen make sacrifices?"

Anyone serving in the Guard is subject to deployment in wartime. To imply that someone who served is akin to a draft dodger is outrageous.
http://ragz-international.com/vietnam_war_statistics.htm

6,140 Guardsmen served in Viet Nam, 101 of whom were KIA.


10 posted on 09/15/2004 12:31:21 AM PDT by walford (http://utopia-unmasked.us)
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To: L.N. Smithee

Thanks! I missed something. What's the deal with Dog Trainer?


11 posted on 09/15/2004 12:32:17 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: goldstategop
Trust me, the way the Powerline bloggers ripped into the DT's editorial tomorrow will not make the folks on Spring Street in Los Angeles happy.

The closing paragraph in that editorial is a liberal's portrait in neon bile.

Sweet!

12 posted on 09/15/2004 12:42:02 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: goldstategop

The LA Times is so pathetic. I won't walk to a news stand to purchase one.


13 posted on 09/15/2004 12:50:22 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (I love the 1st Amendment...Zell Miller can speak the truth.)
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To: goldstategop
"It doesn't take documents for anyone to realize that Bush pulled strings to get into the National Guard. And, during the Vietnam draft, nobody went into the National Guard out of passion to defend his country. It also doesn't take new documents to establish that Bush shirked even his National Guard duties when he moved to Alabama and then to Harvard Business School."

Oh please. It has been established that as the VN war was winding down, F-102 type aircraft, which Bush was trained on, were obsolete and the military was separating (discharging for the military impaired) numerous pilots of that particular aircraft and other pilots.

Also, Bush's peers say he and others twice volunteered for operation "Palace Alert" (VN combat missions) only to be denied because of minimal flight hours.

As for not appearing for a physical...neither did I once. Guess what?...the command re-scheduled!

Also, I was a Naval Reserve recruiter at North Island, San Diego for a time and saw many ratings (specialties), officers included, that were told to go home when they reported for duty. Others were told, via phone call or snail mail, not to report for duty because of command economic and logistical restictions!

I also witnessed many active reserve types requesting orders to "inactive" reserves (standby or IRR) and addressed such transfers to affect those requests. All were appoved!

Someone needs to send this info to the MSM...along with me. And yes, I can prove my experience as a Naval Reserve Recruiter. However, I have no docs to prove my experience with officer types...only second hand knowledge...which I would be happy to submit an affidavit therein. Questions?

14 posted on 09/15/2004 1:02:55 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.opgratitude.com)
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To: lainde

Thanks! I missed something. What's the deal with Dog Trainer?

Use the paper to train the dog...-Wack....- I told you OFF the couch...- Nothing better to do with it other than as the bird cage carpet!


15 posted on 09/15/2004 1:06:02 AM PDT by beaware (Votin in Floriduh)
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To: A Navy Vet
"As for not appearing for a physical...neither did I once. Guess what?...the command re-scheduled!

To be clear, I had the flu while attached to a ship and the "division", not command, allowed me to re-schedule the physical. Don't think I ever made that particular med exam, so guess I can't be President of these United States. Damn.

16 posted on 09/15/2004 1:29:00 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (www.opgratitude.com)
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To: goldstategop

Hmmm....I hear buggywhips are coming back into use. Maybe a new direction for them there.

Oh, and "smirky speech?" C'mon. You see the word "smirk"in relation to President Bush, and you know this dude has been spending his free time trying to pick up chicks (or whatever) on DiminutiveUnderparts.


17 posted on 09/15/2004 2:09:05 AM PDT by Watery Tart (Dammit, Brit, I'm a FReeper, not a blogger! </bonesvoice>)
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To: goldstategop
Until the originals are produced and subjected to microscopic testing, lab testing for rag content, ink components and paper size measured the experts are only looking at superficial evidence. Ink jet and laser printers float the ink on top of the paper, so that should be easy to prove or disprove with a microscope. A typewriter embeds the ink when the key is struck on the paper leaving a slight indentation on the paper. Both the rag content and the ink composition have changed in 30 years I would suspect. And I would suspect that printer ink is different that the ink used in typerwriter ribbons. Paper size sure has. 8.5 x 10.5 then to 8.5x 11 today.

Definitive proof can not be had until lab tests are done.

Why has no one brought out the fact that these types of test should be run and would be run in a court of law. But it all hinges on obtaining the originals. See if you can get some forensic crime experts to chime in.

No prosecutor worth his salt would accept such flimsy evidence in a forgery case as CBS and Dan Rather have presented. It's like asking the defense to accept a photo of a gun that was used in a murder, and saying that is my evidence and I just KNOW it's real.

18 posted on 09/15/2004 4:38:31 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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