Posted on 09/14/2004 7:57:30 PM PDT by Pikamax
Use him for an ablation test. Send him up in an experimental re-entry vehicle? Inquiring Minds Want to Know! :)
I doubt the lady is really liberal, at least in the modern sense of the word. You have to remember than when this lady was forming her politics, and for decades afterwords, there were very few Republicans in Texas and virtually no Republican office holders, outside of few legislators. Most elections were decided in the Democratic primary. Also, being either a native or long time, Texan, she probably saw W's father, and W himself, as a damnyankee. I didn't arrive in Texas until '77, and then only from Nebraska, not the Yankee infested northeast. (To this day many country courthouses in Texas have a confederate soldier monument on the country courthouse grounds. Alway in the Northeast corner and facing northeast. The reason? That's the direction the Yankees came from and they might come again. This lady likely saw Bush as one of those Yankees, despite his mostly Texas upbringing (and this was before he met Laura, who Texanized him a bunch more).
IOW, the lady is a Yellow Dog Democrat, but not necessarily a liberal. One of those, like Phil Graham or Scoop Jackson, who the Party left long ago. She's just to set in her ways to really understand that.
Those federal recognition orders (I looked at mine from the OK ANG last night) are what made Bush (and Benson) part of the US Air Force. It made them part of the ANGUS, which is a reserve component of the Air Force. Their other "hat" is as a TxANG, but it's hat rarely worn, especially for pilots. -
NYT BS Alert! Note that in this article, she is quoted as saying "The information in them is correct".
But in the Houston Chronicle article (not in the NYT), it asserts she had 'no firsthand knowledge of Bush's time' in the TANG.
Who _knows_ what she was asserting was correct. Whether the _fact_ that GWB missed a physical (which I believe is asserted to be true, and not a point of argument), or the _contention_ that he received special treatment.
That's the very point the NYT article leaves alive, and it's the leg that Dan Rather is trying desperately to stand on.
NYT to the public:
1. Ignore the fact that someone has forged several documents that imply that the President was delinquent in his duties (etc) . . . the allegations are IMPORTANT and YOU MUST BELIEVE THEM.
2. Ignore the serious allegations made by the SBVT for which there are several witnesses and a multitude on original military documents and sworn statements. The SBVT is a front for the RNC/VRWC and are thus UNIMPORTANT and YOU MUST IGNORE THEM.
Even if the old lady's comments about Killian's attitudes are right, she is providing further reason to believe that the documents are fake. And the fakery of the documents is more important than any minor derelictions by Bush more than 30 years ago, in a chapter of his life that he DOES NOT EXPLOIT POLITICALLY.
You must return immediately to remedial obedience training!
The kind gentlemen surrounding your house right know will escort you to your our training facilities.
Soon, you will be returned to your place of residence as a happy citizen.
Good Day,
NYT Section of the Ministry of Truth
True. They've got nothing but rumors and smears and innuendo.
Hell, I can't even remember what this is about anymore. But I am sure enjoying watching SeeBS exposed for what they are.
Calpundit: An Interview With Bill Burkett
February 12, 2004...
And I left out something. George Conn is a smoker. George Conn knew everything that was happening on Camp Mabry, he picked up every rumor, he knew where everybody was, what they were doing, George knew it all. When I asked him where we were going, I believe I asked him three times in our little walk, and once I remember he said, "Trust me." There may have been a little retort at some point, but basically it was a "trust me" response, whether it was one time or three or two or whatever.
We go behind the building, headed toward the academy building, which goes behind a dormitory structure, and then we go over to the museum and we walk into the doors of the museum. The museum is an old armory, World War II-Korean War era vintage armory, which is a large structure. You walk into these doors and there's a concrete floor there with a larger open space than a high school gymnasium.
To the left of that are several offices built in Korean War style with basically little or no top to them, they're basically walled units, and offices are 8 by 12 to 10 by 12, in that size. And at approximately 30 or so feet from that on this concrete floor, or as we call it, the drill hall floor area, was a folding table, just a commercial grade folding table, and what I recognized as a — and you may know what I'm talking about. Do you know what a 15-gallon trashcan looks like?
Yeah, sure.
A metal gunbarrel style that we used for years and years in the military, that's what it was, and it was setting at the end of the table. George obviously knew General Scribner extremely well, and he says hello to him and there's little pleasantries and we walk up there, and as soon as we get there he introduces me to General Scribner, who I did not know. I said hello and very little if anything more. General Scribner was very polite, very punctual, very nice, and George carried on a conversation with him, basically asked him, OK, what are you doing, how's it coming? And obviously they had had previous conversations that he was working on files.
At that point I remember General Scribner saying that people downtown were coming out and they were going to do a book, and Bartlett and Hughes were coming out, and he'd been told to get all the files together and go through them and kind of clean them up a bit. And George said, well, what are you finding? And he says, well, he says he's been through it, and I'm paraphrasing all of this, he says, obviously lots of people have been through it, you know, there's just not as much here as I'd expected, mostly old press releases and that sort of stuff.
I'm standing there on one foot and another, very uncomfortable with this situation, I knew I'd been guided here and I knew why at that point. I was standing right next to the trash can. I mention that only for one reason, and that is my own alibi to my own conscience. I believe if I'd been one step away from the trash can I would not have done what I did, I would have been forced to make an obvious decision.
Instead I looked down into the trashcan. Underneath most of the trash — the trash level was within two inches of the top — I saw that the trash on the bottom was basically packing cartons, I do remember that there were a couple of elastic type straps and that sort of thing, and on top there was a little bit of paper. And on top of that pile of paper, approximately five-eighths of an inch thick, and Jim wanted me to estimate the number of pages and I said probably between 20 and 40 pages of documents that were clearly originals and photocopies. And it wasn't any big deal, I looked at it, it was a glance situation, and it made no sense to me at all except at the top of that top page was Bush, George W., 1LT.
And I look back at it now and I know I was troubled that those documents were in the trashcan. I did ruffle through the top six to eight pages.
And what were they?
Those documents were performance, what I term performance documents, which would include retirement points, [unintelligible] type documents, which would be a record of drill performance or nonperformance, and there was at least one pay document copy within the top six to eight pages of that stack that was in the trash….
So it is probably true that Bush needed prodding in those last two years to fulfill his obligations, because his interest had turned to politics, that he responded to the prodding, finished his service, got an honorable discharge, and his superiors continued to think highly of him till they died.
Now let's find the forger.
My sympathies with this guy, on how he lost to the points system of the National Guard, whereby his medical costs for service have not been covered.
Yet, he is the most probable thief who should be charged, and let the courts martial decide his fate. Ironically, it may be his chance to get health care coverage from the Army National Guard.
Maybe that's been his loss angle in this matter.
No time to respond to your several incredible posts just now, Mike. But I promise to do so before responding to anything else here. You have done your homework, and shown your research abilities, beautifully … yet again!
I just want to quickly tell you about a sad experience I had last night.
The twenty-year-old son of a friend is home from Iraq for a two-week leave, and we went over to visit with him last night. I would need hours to tell you how sad I felt after witnessing the physical and emotional difference in this young man, since his leaving for Iraq. The content of some of the hundreds of photographs he took over there, and the incredible stories he told (both horrifying and uplifting), were almost beyond description. I hope to be able to write at least something about it here sometime soon.
But one relatively superficial, and yet maddening, thing that I want to mention is this:
In virtually every picture of ‘civilized Iraq’ that he showed us, almost all of the (hundreds) of cars in the photos were Nissans. Even the brand new cars purchased for the Iraqi police department.
Nissan is ~50% percent owned by (French) Renault.
I do not know the specifics, and I would imagine that American funds paid for at least a portion (and most likely all) of those new Iraqi police cars. And I suspect they were probably obtained by lowest-bid contract. But there is something inherently wrong with this picture. And it has nothing to do with the darkroom process.
Back soon …
~ joanie
Colin Powell and the rest of the traitors at the State Dept. probably worked that deal.
"Use him for an ablation test. Send him up in an experimental re-entry vehicle? Inquiring Minds Want to Know! :)"
Very close.
It went somewhat along vividly offcolor line of, if they would have had Kerry, the outcome would have been somewhat different and the chimp would not have made history .
Combat does take its toll on a man.
I do not know the specifics, and I would imagine that American funds paid for at least a portion (and most likely all) of those new Iraqi police cars.
Lokks like Iraq has its own version of government-subsidized offshoring.
I also find it interesting that this lady seems to think that someone used the real memos to produce these. Why? Maybe they were a mixture of sentiments and ultimately exonerated the charges being made against our president.
I heard a guest on FNC over the weekend who made the comment that it didn't matter whether the memos were forged or not; the substance was correct. IIRC, he was stationed in the TX NG during the period. I do not remember his name unfortunately. I thought then that he was the best candidate that I'd seen or heard for the forgeries themselves.
Ms. West said Ms. James similarly "raised no objections."
So let me get this straight...now it's up to the "experts" to implore CBS to HOLD a story? Are these people journalistic editors, or are they experts in document forgeries? Since they did not "implore" CBS to not run the story they (CBS) are innocent?
They asked for supporting authentication of the documents, and were told they had doubtful authenticity, and ran with the story anyway.
What kind of nonsense is that? CBS deserves anythign coming at them for this.
It's obvious that the fraud came out of Texas, but it was an orchestrated effort with multiple players, who were desperate to substantiate old allegations that were never backed up by any evidence. My guess is that the guy who heads that 527, Texans for truth and his buddies at MoveOn made the actual documents, using information from multiple sources. I believe that they passed the documents to the Kerry campaign and told them to use them as they saw fit, which was to disperse them to CBS and USA Today. The memos were only the first of a two part hit on Bush that was planned. The second part was to be the October Surprise, the release of another document, which indicates that there was another pilot that was grounded at the same time as Bush, for using cocaine, and that Bush was guilty by association, but his records were scrubbed. (I learned all this on DU)
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