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So where's the Typewriter Dan?
KFYI Radio | 9/14 | Wil H

Posted on 09/14/2004 5:33:10 PM PDT by Wil H

A caller to that pesky medium, Talk Radio, just made an excellent point regarding Rathergate.

Rather keeps claiming that the memos "could have been" created with 1972 technology but of course we all know that would have required a lino typesetter.

The caller to the Liddy and Hill show on KFYI in Phoenix suggested someone, under an FOIA request, get hold of the inventory document for Killian's National Guard unit and check on the typewriters that they had issued at the time.

Everything is signed for in the Armed Forces, there should be a record of the equipment available to Killian at the time.

That should sort out Dan's claim once and for all.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; forgery; fraud; kfyi; rathergate
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1 posted on 09/14/2004 5:33:15 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: Wil H

DOES ANYONE HAVE TRANSCRIPT OF BLATHER'S FIRST 60 MINUTES REPORT? HE CLAIMS IT WAS AUTHENTICALED, BLAH BLAH BLAH- COMPARE THAT TO WHAT THEY ARE SAYING NOW!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 09/14/2004 5:35:22 PM PDT by Mr. K
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To: Wil H

Oooooh, good point! Show us the inventory documents or shut yur pie-hole, rather!


3 posted on 09/14/2004 5:35:55 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: Wil H; noutopia

noutopia made that same point yesterday. Where's the yearly inventory, Kenneth?


4 posted on 09/14/2004 5:37:59 PM PDT by Rocko ( Dan Rather: "I'm GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!")
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To: Mr. K
Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but here's the page CBSnews put up right after the forgeries were heralded as "news." The PDF files of the forgeries are still linked to on the middle-left:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60II/main641984.shtml
5 posted on 09/14/2004 5:38:55 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Wil H
This question has already been answered. The lady who was Lt. Col. Killian's secretary has now come forward. There were two typewriters used in that unit through the early 70s. One was an Olympia, the other was an IBM Selectric. Neither one could produce proportional type as in these memos.

The older one, the Olympia, had a special key on it that typed an underlined "th" with a single key stroke. As many experts have pointed out that the superscript "th" as two letters is an entirely different process that could not have come from either of these machines.

Game. Set. And Match.

Congressman Billybob

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6 posted on 09/14/2004 5:39:27 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: Cultural Jihad; All

Does anyone have a link to the forgeries that isn't a pdf?


7 posted on 09/14/2004 5:40:25 PM PDT by Rocko ( Dan Rather: "I'm GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!")
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To: Wil H

What's the kerning, Kenneth?


8 posted on 09/14/2004 5:40:56 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Wil H

Think you will find that equipment inventories dating back to 1972 are long gone. The military maintains a lot of records, but not records like these for 30 plus years. Besides, this has been debunked enough so anybody with an IQ bigger than their shoe size should understand that they are FAKE. Obviously Rather and CBS don't qualify in the IQ department.


9 posted on 09/14/2004 5:43:33 PM PDT by conshack
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To: Congressman Billybob

I believe that "th" on the old Olympia will cost Rather his career and CBS new about ten years of prestige. I think the existence of that special character convinced Dan that the documents could be presented as genuine.


10 posted on 09/14/2004 5:45:32 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: js1138

I think the existence of that special character convinced Dan that the documents could be presented as genuine.


I think Rather's blind biased attitude convinced him that they were real. He obviously drinks an excessive amount of kool-aid.


11 posted on 09/14/2004 5:48:40 PM PDT by conshack
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To: Congressman Billybob

Her comming forward was to say that she saw memos LIKE the admitted forgeries and the content was LIKE office gossip "on base"

I think she was originally supposed to come forward and say she typed the memos. Since she can't do that, the DNC is forced into using her to say the memos are a believable lie.

Of course this is a switch from earlier suggestions that the guy with two mental breakdowns was the source of the memos.

She would be properly torn to pieces on the witness stand.
Where was she in 2000 over the NG issue?
Where was she in the texas governors raceS?
Where was she in the congressional race of GWB?

Yet nooooow she remembers office gossip on these ephemeral memos. (oh and there are no other cya memos and no other memo subject she can remember so we can find similar memos)



BTW earlier today you posted an excellent take on the content of the memos which linked a new Kerry staffer, who used to be a Dukakis staffer. It basically identified why that staffer, whose name escapes me, would make the same mistakes in the memo.

would you mind posting that again please?


12 posted on 09/14/2004 5:48:58 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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13 posted on 09/14/2004 5:49:23 PM PDT by Boazo
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To: Wil H
</>all know that would have required a lino typesetter

You couldn't even set those on a linotype. A modern electronic type fonts' metric and kerning track is as specific as an individual's fingerprint. They could only have been done on 1990's era computer and program using Apple's truetype version of Times Roman.

Of course, NBC is welcome to get a nice used IBM Composer, and lock Gunga Dan in a room with a 80 or 90 cases of copy paper, to give it his best shot at 1970's version of the memos. Run the final product through a cheap copier 6 or 700 times, and a 5 year old might not notice the difference.

14 posted on 09/14/2004 5:52:02 PM PDT by kylaka
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To: Rocko
Such as the original .DOC format? ;-)
15 posted on 09/14/2004 5:52:45 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Congressman Billybob
The older one, the Olympia, had a special key on it that typed an underlined "th" with a single key stroke.

Bingo. I knew there was such a beast in the typewriter universe. A few Wang wheels in the 80's had this as well.

16 posted on 09/14/2004 5:56:26 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
Bingo. I knew there was such a beast in the typewriter universe. A few Wang wheels in the 80's had this as well.

Many typewriters had fraction keys too.They did 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 as a single character space. But none could have produced what Rather is claiming...

17 posted on 09/14/2004 6:04:00 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: kylaka
You couldn't even set those on a linotype. A modern electronic type fonts' metric and kerning track is as specific as an individual's fingerprint. They could only have been done on 1990's era computer and program using Apple's truetype version of Times Roman.

Precisely. Just take a look at this comparison between the August 18 memo and a copy I typed using Word defaults, with no adjustments. Note the guidelines I added, and how the corresponding characters line up perfectly in every way. Notice also the position of the date--exactly eight default tab stops away from the left margin.

18 posted on 09/14/2004 6:04:00 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: Wil H
Right nothing can explain what Rather is claiming. But the Olympia explains the th found on many of the authentic ANG documents.
19 posted on 09/14/2004 6:06:59 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: Wil H
Everything is signed for in the Armed Forces, there should be a record of the equipment available to Killian at the time.

I hate to shake you faith in the American Armed Forces, but when I was in the Army, every year just prior to our annual general ispection, the dumpsters were filled with unauthorized equipment.

20 posted on 09/14/2004 6:19:00 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Islam: Men defend most violently, not what they know to be true, but what they fear may be false.)
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