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St. Louis Cathedral, New Orleans, Louisiana storm surge simulation
NWS ^ | 14 sep 2004 | National Weather service

Posted on 09/14/2004 11:19:19 AM PDT by Lokibob

 

14 sep 2004

 

Storm Surge Simulations
- St. Louis Cathedral, New Orleans, Louisiana

The following is an example of possible water heights for a slow moving category 4 hurricane. This image is an approximation of how high the water could rise. - Simulations courtesy of Mark Sudduth.

St. Louis Cathedral Quicktime movie of simulated water rise during a slow moving Category 4 Hurricane (1.7 mbThis is a quicktime file)
If you need Quicktime you can download it here.

St. Louis Cathedral with no flooding Slow moving category 4 Hurricane Flooding
(ABOVE SIMULATION IS OF A SLOW MOVING CAT 4 HURRICANE)
NO Storm Surge
New Orleans, Louisiana
Category 4 Hurricane Storm Surge Simulation
New Orleans, Louisiana




TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: hurricane; ivan; neworleans; simulation; weather
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Because Ivan is aimed at New Orleans area, I thought this might be appropiate. The web site has a QT movie of the storm surge simulation. This scenerio is the exact one that New Orleans has long dreaded.
1 posted on 09/14/2004 11:19:23 AM PDT by Lokibob
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To: Lokibob

Isn't NO below sea level? Not where you want a hurricane to visit.


2 posted on 09/14/2004 11:20:48 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Lokibob

I think I read somewhere that N.O. has these huge pumping stations that help in case of flooding. If so, any idea how much water the pumps can handle, or would a storm like this just totally overwhelm them?


3 posted on 09/14/2004 11:22:01 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Phantom Lord

Exactly, 30 feet below sea level at lowest point, if I remember right.


4 posted on 09/14/2004 11:22:18 AM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Lokibob

I was married in that church 4 years ago this month. It would be a real shame if the church and all the artwork inside where to have severe water damage.


5 posted on 09/14/2004 11:22:21 AM PDT by Georgia
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To: Phantom Lord

Nawlins is approx 10 feet below sea level. Its like a bowl.


6 posted on 09/14/2004 11:23:18 AM PDT by kingattax (Proud pajama-wearing FReeper)
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To: mewzilla
I think I read somewhere that N.O. has these huge pumping stations that help in case of flooding. If so, any idea how much water the pumps can handle, or would a storm like this just totally overwhelm them?

The pumping stations can't even keep with a heavy rain, let alone a major hurricane...

New Orleans has been living on borrowed time...

7 posted on 09/14/2004 11:23:40 AM PDT by danneskjold (All balloons, what the hell! There's nothing falling! What the f%#@ are you guys doing up there?)
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To: mewzilla

The pumps can not handle a cat4 hurricane. The city would be under water. How many feet is unknown.


8 posted on 09/14/2004 11:23:57 AM PDT by Georgia
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To: Lokibob

bttt


9 posted on 09/14/2004 11:24:27 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Lokibob
Your simulation is lacking the beer cans and to-go cups floating with misc trash that is ever present in NOLA. As well as the drunk and mange infected pigeons (a predictable consequence from bathing in whiskey laced water I guess). I lived there for a couple of years, loved it, but trash is everywhere especially in the French Quarter.
10 posted on 09/14/2004 11:26:18 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Georgia

'Big Easy' a bowl of trouble in hurricanes

By James West, USATODAY.com

With the 2000 hurricane season entering its most fierce stage, should the "Big Easy" change its nickname to the "Big Worry"? Officials there who plan for hurricanes think so.

The last time a major hurricane – with winds over 111 mph – came close to New Orleans was Hurricane Camille in 1969, says Paul Trotter, chief of the National Weather Service office in nearby Slidell, La. That storm came ashore about 55 miles east of New Orleans in Mississippi. Trotter says that there have been 12 or 13 major storms to hit within 85 miles of New Orleans in the last 120 years, or an average of one major hurricane occurring once a decade.

"With Camille hitting over 30 years ago, we are well overdue for a major one," Trotter says.

New Orleans, a city of nearly 1.4 million people, sits below sea level, as much as 8 feet lower than water in nearby Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River and its delta, where it empties into the Gulf of Mexico. This in effect creates a "bowl" that floodwaters can settle into, like water headed for a stopped-up drain.

To combat this unique problem, a system of levees surrounds the city to hold back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain to the north and the Mississippi River to the south, says Joseph Suhayda, director of the Louisiana Water Resources Research Institute at Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge. The levee that holds back Lake Pontchartrain is 15 feet high while the one guarding against the Mississippi River is 20 feet tall.

Suhayda says the 15-foot levee will protect the city from a minimum hurricane of Category 1 or 2 intensity and at best a fast-moving Category 3 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson hurricane intensity scale.

"A slow-moving Category 3 or any Category 4 or 5 hurricane passing within 20 or 30 miles of New Orleans would be devastating," Suhayda says.

The storm surge — water pushed into a mound by hurricane winds — would pour over the Pontchartrain levee and flood the city. A severe hurricane could push floodwaters inside the New Orleans bowl as high as 20-30 feet, covering most homes and the first three or four stories of buildings in the city, he says. "This brings a great risk of casualties."

In this type of scenario the metro area could be submerged for more than 10 weeks, says Walter S. Maestri, Director of Emergency Management for Jefferson Parish, which encompasses more than half of the city. In those 10 weeks, residents would need drinking water, food and a dry place to live.

Besides the major problems flooding would bring, there is also concern about a potentially explosive and deadly problem. Suhayda says flooding of the whole city could easily mix industrial and household chemicals into a toxic and volatile mix. Coupled with an estimated 100,000 tons of sediment, a cleanup could take several months. In the worst case scenario, the mix of toxic chemicals could make some areas of the city uninhabitable. "It could take several years for the city to recover fully, economically, from a strong hurricane," says Suhayda.

To make residents aware of the dangers New Orleans faces, Maestri and his staff visit churches, professional organizations and social clubs almost every week of the year to discuss the risks. They distribute videos to schools, libraries and even to video stores for free distribution to the public. They also provide information to the commercial mass media to make the public aware.

Maestri says that the public knows and understands the threat they face if a major hurricane was to strike near New Orleans. For instance, when Hurricane Georges threatened the Gulf Coast in 1998, an estimated 60 percent of the New Orleans population evacuated the city, Maestri says. It was the largest evacuation in U.S. history at the time, according to the National Weather Service. Even then, not everyone could get out, and the Louisiana Superdome in New Orleans was used as a shelter for the first time. Fortunately for the city, Hurricane Georges, a Category 2 hurricane with winds near 110 mph, landed to the east in Biloxi, Miss.

Despite the difficulty in getting everyone out, Maestri says evacuation is the best policy for a city under sea level and not fully protected from storm surge and flooding. But he is concerned that he still might not have enough advance warning to evacuate all of New Orleans. Improvements in hurricane predictions during the last 30 years have made it possible for the National Hurricane Center to issue hurricane warnings 24 hours ahead of when a storm hits. But, Maestri says it takes nearly 72 hours to fully evacuate New Orleans. This means that an evacuation order must be issued using a forecast that could have an error of 150 miles. While Maestri and his team are busy evacuating the city, the storm could be heading for Alabama and Mississippi to the east or the bayous of western Louisiana instead of New Orleans.

An evacuation could create a ghost town unnecessarily and make people more complacent when the next hurricane nears the Gulf Coast. Maestri is also concerned that he could be placing evacuees in the path of danger if a storm struck along the evacuation routes instead of New Orleans.

Besides getting everybody out, Suhayda says there are two alternate solutions that would protect people from potential flooding if a category 4 or 5 hurricane were to hit the city. The first would be to raise the levees, especially the one bordering Lake Pontchartrain. Raising the lake levee to the 20-foot height of the Mississippi River levee should give enough protection for the city. Another solution, the so-called "haven plan" by Suhayda, would involve building an internal levee that would protect the city's core; hospitals, government buildings and transportation as well as the electrical and water infrastructure would be safe from the ravages of a flood.

But the two plans involving the building of new levees are massive and expensive public works projects, Suhayda says. They would take more than a decade to plan and build, he concludes, leaving the city with no improvement to its hurricane problem in the near future.

"Residents will have to deal with a threat of flooding for at least the next 10-15 years."

Contributing: Chris Vaccaro, USATODAY.com


11 posted on 09/14/2004 11:29:08 AM PDT by Lokibob (All typos and spelling errors are mine and copyrighted!!!!)
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To: Georgia

It's such a beautiful church. That and St. Patrick's nearby are two of the loveliest in America.


12 posted on 09/14/2004 11:32:07 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: mewzilla
They can pump 8 inches of water in 24 hours.
Worst case would have it crossing Lake
Ponchartrain which could dump the lake into
the City.
13 posted on 09/14/2004 11:33:48 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (GEORGE WASHINGTON is nothing like HO CHI MINH as stated by Kerry.)
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To: Mark in the Old South

Hey, I resemble that remark!


14 posted on 09/14/2004 11:34:37 AM PDT by stuckinloozeeana
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To: mewzilla
I think I read somewhere that N.O. has these huge pumping stations that help in case of flooding. If so, any idea how much water the pumps can handle, or would a storm like this just totally overwhelm them?

IIRC the pumping stations can handle 1 inch of rainfall per hour under optimum conditions. It doesn't take into account storm surge from any of the surrounding bodies of water.

15 posted on 09/14/2004 11:36:11 AM PDT by Klatuu
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Where does the water get pumped to?


16 posted on 09/14/2004 11:36:25 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla

Where do they pump the water to?


17 posted on 09/14/2004 11:39:18 AM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: mewzilla

They run on ELECTRICITY...........Democrat run city!......


18 posted on 09/14/2004 11:39:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you shoot from the hip enough times, eventually you'll shoot yourself in the a$$......)
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To: mewzilla

Nowhere!.....The pumps are ELECTRIC!


19 posted on 09/14/2004 11:40:15 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you shoot from the hip enough times, eventually you'll shoot yourself in the a$$......)
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To: stuartcr

That's what I'm wondering. And they'll have some major sewer problems, too. Oh, boy.


20 posted on 09/14/2004 11:40:28 AM PDT by mewzilla
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