Posted on 09/13/2004 9:35:32 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
Thse guys sure spent a lot of time swatting at a gnat
Marty Heldt's fingerprints to seem to be on this.IMHO..
But I just have this feeling that if the culprit is ever found out, he will come from a small town outside of Boston, Mass. And I'm not talking about John Kerry either.
There are a couple of other names mentioned. I thought Heldt lived in Iowa. Who might this quote reference?
This was one area I thought didn't look right and darn if it wasn't on Fox a couple days later and then posted here.
Posted by TheLion to deport
On News/Activism ^ 09/11/2004 11:27:21 AM EDT · 141 of 160 ^
I found the info finally on the OETR:
Later in the newscast, Campenni sat down with anchor Jim Angle. Campenni brought up the August 18, 1973 "CYA" memo (online: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust18.pdf ), which referred to how "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges" and how "Staudt is pushing to sugar coat it." Campenni pointed out that General "Buck" Staudt had retired in 1972, so it would not be logical that Staudt would any longer be in Killian's line of command.
Campenni added, citing the same memo: "The other issue on that particular letter, there's another comment further down, OETD,' that's the, I presume, OETR.' That's referring to the Officer Efficiency Report...But the term of art was OER. Now it's OES. OETR,' I went and looked in the Air Force glossary for that period, that's Officer Education Training Repositories -- totally unrelated to that. So I don't know why someone who would be doing these things all the time would put the wrong acronym in there for that."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1213053/posts
PRICELESS!
Oh, yes...yes! I thought I remembered something like that, but couldn't remember where!
Thank you for restoring my sanity!
an Iowa farmer named Marty Heldt bent advancing the theory that George W. Bush's was a deserter
http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/document.htm
In January 2004, former Democratic political consultant Brooks Gregory identified Marty Heldt as peddling a bogus set of documents
Oh, boy...read this one!
I think we all lost it this week!
The memos are forgeries. The story is bogus. The memo were done a modern
> > word processor or computer, and not on 1970's era typewriter.
> >
> > David
> What evidence do you have?
I have the same evidence I used to discredit Marty Heldt in 2000. It is
almost comical some of the obvious alterations and these documents came from
the exact same place.
Just one little item. The address PO Box 34567, is a bit dubious, and that's
what tipped me off back then. I talked to Marty Heldt about that. His answer
was that this was Killians home address. So, I decided to check. This
address was, at the time shown on the document, unassigned. Further, the
address was a po box at the main post office in Houston, Texas. The zip code
was for a small town in Texas, Genoa, Texas that did NOT have po boxes.
From, there, I went on to prove the document titled "Chronological" had been
altered, and done by someone that had no idea what a military date format
looked like.
That took me about 3 days after which, Marty stopped communicating with me.
I think I know who dummied up all of these documents but I can't prove it.
But I just have this feeling that if the culprit is ever found out, he will
come from a small town outside of Boston, Mass. And I'm not talking about
John Kerry either.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&c2coff=1&safe=off&selm=JWm0d.1120040%24y4.197458%40news.easynews.com
Bump for keep it up.
Great name....The Horrible Arctic Bear?
Thanks for that link. I had speculated that Marty Heldt seemed like a real candidate for either forging and knowlingly passing the forged documents... Whizbang has more background on that.....
And .. doesn't that fact (the military stuff) eliminate Burkett ..??
I've heard that the documents were "dictated", which is supposed to explain why there are no "originals". That could account for them not being in proper military form. If it was Burkett who dictated the info, wouldn't he have known the proper military form to use ..??
Where's Lynn, Massachusetts?
Any ideas who this might be? There is absolutely no way that Dan Rather trusted those documents, he either trusted the source or was blinded by the substance. Yet he could have made the point in his story with some qualifications regarding the authenticity and all of the talking heads would have been with him because they believe the substance too. But he didn't do that, so what source would Rather defend and continue to stick with while he is made fool of?
Thanks; interesting indeed.
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