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CBS Offers New Experts to Support Guard Memos
NY Times ^ | 9/13/04

Posted on 09/13/2004 8:31:00 PM PDT by ambrose

The New York Times


September 14, 2004
THE MILITARY RECORD

CBS Offers New Experts to Support Guard Memos

By JIM RUTENBERG and KATE ZERNIKE

When the CBS News anchor Dan Rather defended himself on camera and in interviews last Friday against questions being raised about documents he had used to bolster a report on President Bush's National Guard service, he and network executives considered the case closed.

Mr. Rather himself said emphatically: "CBS News stands by, and I stand by, the thoroughness and accuracy of this report, period. Our story is true."

Yet there he was again, on "The CBS Evening News" last night, presenting even more experts to attest to the authenticity of several documents purportedly dating back to the early 1970's suggesting that Mr. Bush received favorable treatment in the Guard.

While Mr. Rather's initial "60 Minutes" report was considered a journalistic coup, coming in the peak of an election year and in the twilight of Mr. Rather's career, the network has found itself under unrelenting pressure from within and without to prove that the documents were genuine amid charges that they could only have been produced by modern-day word processors.

The controversy over the documents has been propelled by a volatile mix of fierce election-year rancor, daily disclosures pointing to potential weaknesses in CBS's report and the network's steadfast refusal to explain how it got the documents.

Even inside CBS News there was deepening concern. Some of Mr. Rather's colleagues said in interviews that they were becoming increasingly anxious for him to silence the critics by proving the documents' validity and as new questions about their origin arose. Most declined to be quoted by name.

CBS said the documents came from the personal files of one of Mr. Bush's Guard commanders, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian. The memos indicated that Mr. Bush had failed to take a physical against orders and that Colonel Killian was being pressured to "sugarcoat" his performance rating because Mr. Bush, whose father was then a Texas congressman, was "talking to somebody upstairs."

USA Today, which had presented the documents as legitimate on Thursday, featured an article yesterday with some experts surmising they were forgeries. "We're just busy now trying to determine the authenticity, or not," said the newspaper's executive editor, John Hillkirk.

One of the experts CBS News said initially helped convince it that the documents were genuine, a handwriting expert named Marcel B. Matley, said in an interview yesterday that he believed the signature in the documents to be that of Colonel Killian. Asked if the signature could have been lifted from an official document by Colonel Killian and pasted onto forgeries, Mr. Matley said: "Sure. But we can't draw a conclusion from a possibility."

Several CBS correspondents said in interviews that such developments were making them increasingly nervous.

One network correspondent said, "I've talked to colleagues who would love to see more of a defense."

This person described the state of the staff as "deep concern, I'd say not panic - we all want it to be right." This person, echoing others, said that Mr. Rather's resoluteness in addressing the charges on the air was allaying some of the concern. "Dan really put himself on the line and I can't imagine him knowingly defending something he knew not to be the case."

A longtime correspondent said flatly, "I'm distressed."

Mike Wallace, the longtime "60 Minutes" correspondent, said after hearing about new challenges to the validity of the documents on Sunday, "I'm confused by some of what I've heard today." But of his colleagues working on the report, he said: "You're dealing with genuine professionals. The last thing in the world that any of these people would want is to phony something."

Andrew Heyward, the CBS News president, said in an interview on Sunday that he was not concerned about the validity of the documents or the report CBS News presented. "I'm firmly convinced that the memos are authentic and the stories are accurate," he said.

Addressing staff concerns, Mr. Heyward said, "The story was thoroughly vetted as all pieces of '60 Minutes' are, and the more they know about the process, the more reassured they will be that we used every appropriate journalistic standard and safeguard in reporting the story." A spokeswoman said yesterday he had not changed his position.

Alex S. Jones, director of the Shorenstein Center at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, said the burden was on CBS to prove its report was accurate beyond standard lines like "We stand by our story."

"I think they should be able to provide credible information about how these memos came into their possession," Mr. Jones said. "And if they cannot provide the name of the source, then they need to make as much transparency as possible."

But CBS News officials have made it clear that they will go only so far. They have repeatedly said they do not believe their source for the documents would go public.

One important question raised inside and outside CBS is whether it knows where the documents, which it admits are not originals but copies, came from in the first place and how many hands they passed through. Sandy Genelius, a network spokeswoman, said, "We are confident about the chain of custody; we're confident in how we secured the documents." She would not elaborate.

Last night, CBS did not present any of the other experts who originally helped it authenticate the documents, beyond mentioning Mr. Matley, who was interviewed on the Friday broadcast. Instead it featured computer and typewriter specialists who had called or posted defenses of CBS on Internet blogs.

Richard Katz, a computer software expert in Los Angeles who was featured on the "Evening News" segment, said in an interview that he had called his local affiliate, KCBS, after looking at the memos on the CBS Web site after the initial broadcast, when some experts were saying that the memos looked as if they had been composed using the Times New Roman font in Microsoft Word.

Comparing the CBS memos with a replication produced on Microsoft Word, he noticed a slight variation in the boldness of the letters, as there is on many typewritten documents. "It doesn't look like you can do this very easily," he said. "If you use something like Photoshop you could come close to faking it, but why not just go out and buy a Selectric for $75?"

Bill Glennon, a technology consultant and I.B.M. typewriter specialist who had posted his thoughts on the memos on a blog and was quoted over the weekend in publications including The New York Times, said CBS called him Monday morning. The producer asked him to come in and look at the memorandums and say whether he thought that an I.B.M. typewriter could have produced the documents. He said he was initially leery of talking. "Because quite honestly there's some people out there, they're scary," he said. "You don't agree with them, you offer opinions that don't jibe with theirs and you get a target on your back."

Mr. Glennon was in charge of service for 1,000 contracts for I.B.M. typewriters for 15 years, starting in late 1972, around the time the memorandums were produced. He spent 15 minutes with the CBS documents, he said, and believes that they could have been created using the kind of typewriters he worked with at I.B.M.


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To: Dante3

> Dan Rather is now as credible as OJ

Not quite; if the case against OJ had been as slam dunk as that against Rather, OJ's attorneys probably would have gone for a plea bargain. This is like OJ's trial, but with the glove fitting perfectly.


261 posted on 09/14/2004 8:39:56 PM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: Jackson Brown

One thing I just noticed--probably not worth starting a new thread for, but maybe someone can tell me where this would be best noted--is that whatever the documents were put through seems to have a minimum vertical thickness, and that the thickness is always judged from the bottom. This is what causes letters like "I" to look so strange. The bottoms of the top serifs are curved up at the ends, and so--because of the minimum line-thickness requirements--the tops of "I"'s come out bent.

This does not seem like the behavior of any analog copier I can think of, but I wonder if some fax machines might work that way. Tracking down what type of equipment does that might help track down what sort of machine was used in this forgery.


262 posted on 09/14/2004 9:26:54 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: Shermy
Or just run it through some mediocre copy machines more than a few times.

With a fax generation or something thrown in for good measure.

Look at the characters with horizontal serifs [e.g. on the letter "I"]. Notice that on the CBS decouments they are often concave on the outside. I don't know of any analog copier that would do that; it is much more likely to be a faxing phenomenon.

Whatever was used in at least one step of munging these documents to make them look old had a minimum vertical thickness [i.e. thickness of horizontal lines]. When something was too thin in the vertical direction, this device would attempt to place a minimum-thickness vertical line more-or-less centered vertically about where the original mark was.

Because Times New Roman has curved serifs which are thinner than the minimum vertical thickness, the curves on the insides of the serifs caused the whole serifs to appear bent.

I don't know what variations exist among fax machines, but I would think a forensic expert could probably determine which types of machines might have been used.

263 posted on 09/14/2004 9:36:29 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: js1138
I've worried about the serifs also, but the main document expert in the world, the guy who literally wrote the book on typewriter identification, said that serifs could not be matched on such poor quality copies.

IPM
Actually, the serifs are preserved somewhat better than it might at first appear. Take a look at the letters to the right.
1lb
Notice that the undersides of the top serifs and the topside of the bottom serifs are curved. Now look at the characters to the left. Notice that the undersides of the top serifs are horizontal.

Look at how characters appear in the CBS copy. You'll notice that a lot more shape information about the serifs is preserved than would be immediately apparent.

264 posted on 09/14/2004 9:57:59 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: supercat

The forensic experts have already said that the serif information is lost.


265 posted on 09/15/2004 4:58:56 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Always Right
I thought I read the whole article. I did not see any new experts....

Just this:

Last night, CBS did not present any of the other experts who originally helped it authenticate the documents, beyond mentioning Mr. Matley, who was interviewed on the Friday broadcast. Instead it featured computer and typewriter specialists who had called or posted defenses of CBS on Internet blogs.
The entire network's gone mad. It's like something out of "Network."
266 posted on 09/15/2004 5:02:41 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: ambrose
Re-read this piece of trash.

That whole story was a coverup!

There is NOT ONE piece of evidence (out of over 85 now!) that confirms the forgeries.

There is NOT ONE use of "forgery" in the whole story.

And I could not even find an opposing "witness" or expert!

Now its time to put a little pressure on THESE TWO writers!

...

MSM hasn't learned it's lesson yet, has it?
267 posted on 09/15/2004 5:08:54 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: nsc68
"Of course, some intrepid online sleuths could get the typewriters on their own, try to reproduce the memos, and show that they don't even come close to matching the documents used in the CBS report.

"Somebody out there," wearing his pajama's, has already done that.

They didn't match.

268 posted on 09/15/2004 5:15:08 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: supercat
It's easier to read the CBS fax number on the top of the copies received from the White House.
269 posted on 09/15/2004 5:17:17 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Bonaparte
Is "that" her actual letterhead?

Big official looking State Emblem, State name, little NY state outline, and next to it, equally big and bold "Democrat"
270 posted on 09/15/2004 5:20:25 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Kerry's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: ambrose
He said he was initially leery of talking. "Because quite honestly there's some people out there, they're scary," he said. "You don't agree with them, you offer opinions that don't jibe with theirs and you get a target on your back."

Oh, Nelly! It's the VRWC!
271 posted on 09/15/2004 8:08:57 AM PDT by wasp69 (Zell Miller is a prime example that Southern Gentlemen and Statesmen still exist.)
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To: Redcloak

"These documents are 100% authentic."

272 posted on 09/15/2004 8:14:54 AM PDT by Libertarian444
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To: Howlin

Bill Glennon, a technology consultant and I.B.M. typewriter specialist who had posted his thoughts on the memos on a blog and was quoted over the weekend in publications including The New York Times, said CBS called him Monday morning.
Look at that; CBS says that they stand by their sources and the memos, but they are reduced to searching the internet and calling this guy in on Monday!!!


29 posted on 09/13/2004 8:41:07 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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What's worse is they didn't even check the morons credentials. It turns out he was a typewritter repair man.

A Consultant is just another name for being Unemployed.


273 posted on 09/15/2004 8:16:13 AM PDT by Area51 (Diapers and Politicians need to be changed-For the same reason)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
"Somebody out there," wearing his pajama's, has already done that.

I didn't know that. Got a link? Thanks.

274 posted on 09/15/2004 9:15:08 AM PDT by nsc68
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Is "that" her actual letterhead?

Do not question the authenticity.

You must take my word for it because my name is Bonaparte.

I will do your thinking for you.

That is all.

< /sarcasm >

275 posted on 09/15/2004 11:18:55 AM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: ambrose

Nice to know that there are so many experts to choose from. CBS is seriously f****d, thanks to CBS. What fun.


276 posted on 09/15/2004 4:44:25 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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