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From Biased to Partisan: The mainstream media moves left.
National Review Online ^ | 9/13/04 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 09/13/2004 8:36:02 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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To: hispanarepublicana
About sums it up. Good read.

He's dead-on-balls about the 'division' in American politics. The Democrats are now 'progressive-socialists' and Republicans are are 'moderate-capitalists'... oil and water... night and day... wrong and right.

One cannot thrive while the other exists... they are poison to each other.

What's the answer? I think I know... it's called civil war.

21 posted on 09/13/2004 9:02:11 AM PDT by johnny7 (“ It's not a lie unless you admit it... it's not a story unless we broadcast it!” -Dan Rather)
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To: lemura

"...no one should have a problem with open partisanship."

But everyone should have a big problem with faking documents and "slanting" what are ostensibly news stories, and that includes conservatives who, I believe, are generally more at home with the truth. At least I hope so.


22 posted on 09/13/2004 9:02:23 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: stuartcr
Are you serious? If so, reread your sentence.
23 posted on 09/13/2004 9:04:48 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: hispanarepublicana

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24 posted on 09/13/2004 9:08:05 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Bahbah

I agree. My real problem is partisanship dressed up as objective journalism. The MSM is attempting to influence mainstream thinking with polluted news. The AP "Booing" story, the attack on the SBVFT, etc. . . are all examples of how liberal reporters inject a slant to "hard news". I don't have a problem with pundits and others with an opinion (even if I don't agree with them) having their say on opinion shows or editorial pages. Keep the bias out of the news sections though!


25 posted on 09/13/2004 9:08:17 AM PDT by Thickman (Regis to Kerry: "Is that your final answer?")
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To: FesterUSMC
Why did Dan Rather and CBS News, against all expectations, impeach their own credibility to defend the authenticity of memos that are almost certainly forgeries? The obvious answer is that they did it to save the faltering Kerry campaign from a final and decisive blow. If CBS were to admit that the documents were forgeries, it would have no grounds for protecting its sources. In fact, CBS would have a positive obligation to do everything in its power to expose the malefactors behind the forgeries. If the trail led back to the Kerry campaign, president Bush's reelection would be assured.

This is why I believe that this is a big deal. What did Kerry know and when did he know it? What did Dan know and when did he know it? Its a "third-rate forgery"...

26 posted on 09/13/2004 9:10:06 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: hispanarepublicana
Hmmmmmm. I'm afraid this makes sense, both demographically and otherwise.

No, CBS is less likely to admit any wrongdoing than Bill was likely to settle on a definition of 'is'.

But this is not about CBS. This is about lies and deception. This is about holding the liars' feet to the fire and getting the story out about the lies.

Face it, those of us who own guns have been suffering the unmitigated bias of the MSM for decades now; we do not expect a leopard to change its spots.

Among the Dems' true believers and the 'anyone but Bush' crowd, the lies do not matter. They will see the ends of electing John Kerry as justifying any means.

However, (and I firmly believe the clock is ticking on this), there remains an opportunity to glean the disgusted from the ranks of MSM viewers before the cradle-to-grave indoctrination forms the culture rifts as insurmountable as those between Montague and Capulet.

Those among us who have debunked this have done outstanding work, but this is just the beginning, a veritable 'Battle of Trenton' in the culture war which promises to be long, and fought against an increasingly sophisticated and unabashedly biased enemy.

The element of surprise is no longer with us. The gloves are off. Now the real fight begins.

27 posted on 09/13/2004 9:10:35 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Rant this day, in remembrance.)
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To: Thickman

"My real problem is partisanship dressed up as objective journalism."

Exactly. This is what drove me to yell at my tv and had me feeling like I was wandering in some information blackout wilderness until I found Fox, and then, Saints be praised, FR.


28 posted on 09/13/2004 9:11:56 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: hispanarepublicana; nutmeg; Clemenza; rmlew; PARodrig; cyborg; lavrenti
Although there is a major and ever growing alternative media composed of talk radio, opinion journals, Internet news sites, blogs, and Fox News, the "mainstream media" still dominates. In terms of sheer numbers, the network newscasts still out-pull cable news channels by considerable margins. And Internet sites and blogs still attract a relatively small (if growing and disproportionately influential) audience. Because of its prestige — and because it's just plain bigger — the mainstream media is, well, "mainstream," while the rest are just "alternative."

It is important to remember that. I have always contended that the only way to counter then mainstream media is to take over the companies that own it via investment. Instead we have opted for a strategy of setting up alternate sources of information that still do not reach a majority of the population who are still misinformed as a result of the relentless propaganda. It's a wonder that we do not live under a Stalinist regime as a result of it.



29 posted on 09/13/2004 9:12:02 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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To: hispanarepublicana
We conservatives can talk all we want about CBS putting its credibility at risk. But the truth is, we ceased to take the word of Dan Rather or CBS a long time ago.

True, but the warped and bogus "news" perpetrated by CBS has at this juncture has become a liability and bonafide threat to the security of the United States of America.

Moreover, CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN all need to preface their "news" with a disclaimer stating that their anchors may be airing editorials.

30 posted on 09/13/2004 9:12:46 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: hispanarepublicana
This is a brilliant piece, though he isn't as alone as he thinks in perceiving these trends---they are the basis for a book I'ves sent to my agent called "First, the Bad News." But this represents a 360-degree circle back to where "news" was in the Jacksonian period, namely where EVERY publication was "biased" and people knew it and treated the contents accordingly. Papers carried the name "Arkansas Democrat" or "Columbus Republican."

What is more interesting to me is WHY the media shifted so sharply to the left in the 1960s from the (pretty much) objective press of the 1870-1860 period. (You can always find exceptions, i.e., the "Yellow Press") It's a long (and not completely satisfying explanation for these sentences:

"First came the of the movements of the 60s. Then the media was captured by the Left."

If you look at the shift, this occured BEFORE Watergate and even before the Vietnam War became unpopular. So something big was happening in the early 1960s.

31 posted on 09/13/2004 9:13:29 AM PDT by LS
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To: hispanarepublicana
One thing this report needed emphasizing...the MMM may in fact attract most of the lefties in this country, but due to their sheer size, they also are the number one news source for moderates and independents.
32 posted on 09/13/2004 9:13:51 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: stuartcr

Sure. That's the point: you can no longer trust an "objective" press to cover both sides (I maintain you couldn't since the 1960s). So the next best thing is a COMPETITIVE press.


33 posted on 09/13/2004 9:14:48 AM PDT by LS
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To: hispanarepublicana

BTTT


34 posted on 09/13/2004 9:14:57 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Cboldt

No, it was better in the 1950s, if for no other reason than the structure of news was "Who, what, when, where, why." The "reporters' questions" were addressed at the start of the story, but now "framing" is used at the front of the story to tell you what the facts mean. I've done extensive word analysis of this. Trust me, it was a lot better. There was still some partisanship, but the structure of papers forced them into "objectivity."


35 posted on 09/13/2004 9:16:51 AM PDT by LS
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To: hispanarepublicana

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36 posted on 09/13/2004 9:16:59 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: hispanarepublicana

The news division seems resistant to correction. I don't think retribution against their advertisers is enough. Dan comes under the larger umbrella of CBS. The entertainment division has more to lose than does the sagging news hole. CBS's larger property is probably NFL Sunday football. Maybe mailings targeting NFL advertisers would have more substance.


37 posted on 09/13/2004 9:21:43 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: martin_fierro
And it's the audience that's driving this — not only, or even primarily, the journalists, liberal though journalists may be.

There is no evidence to support that. In fact, the evidence shows that to the contray.

I saw "The McGaughlin Group" yesterday and completely agree with you. At one time a cutting edge political show, it has deteriorated into inside the Beltway denial and alter-reality analysis ("Iraq is worse than Vietnam", "The Swift Vets did not have an impact", ect.). Watching that show it feels like a bunch of Kerryites that have nothing in common with the rest of America. Tony Blankley is the only astute person still on there and he should strongly think about excusing himself to go somewhere else.

38 posted on 09/13/2004 9:22:33 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Malesherbes

Bernie was being kind to an old friend. Ann Coulter was right: the left hates the right; the right pities the left and prays one day they'll wake up and become adults.


39 posted on 09/13/2004 9:22:40 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. And I say let us give them all they want)
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To: hispanarepublicana
... the exit of increasing numbers of conservatives and moderates from the mainstream-media audience is pushing mainstream outlets to the left.

At times like this, when they pretend that sh*t IS Shinola rather than make even a pretense of being interested in the facts, they dull the cutting power of their instrument into uselessness. I know that not everyone has a computer or watches cable, but it's hard to miss what's going on with this story. Dan Rather's image will never be the same. CBS's image WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AFTER THIS.

They're really blowing all they had left on this hopeless loser fraud of a story designed to rescue that unelectable loser Kerry.

40 posted on 09/13/2004 9:23:14 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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