Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Here We Go Some More
The American Spectator ^ | 09-13-2004 | Washington Prowler

Posted on 09/12/2004 9:28:38 PM PDT by nyconse

While CBS news anchor Dan Rather can say there is no internal investigation under way over the alleged forged documents used as the foundation for an investigation into President George W. Bush's National Guard service, you wouldn't have been able to tell from the 15 or so 60 Minutes and CBS News" staffers working away feverishly on Friday and Saturday to try to nail down their story.

On Friday, according to CBS News sources, Rather spent the day on the phone and dealing with CBS suits who were nervous about the fall out from the story. "All Dan could say was that this was an attack from the right-wing nuts, and that we should have expected this, given the stakes," says a CBS News producer. "He was terribly defensive and nervous. You could tell."

All day Friday, Rather, his producer on the story, Mary Mapes, and other 60 Minutes staffers were scrambling to shore up support from their sources on the story. That effort didn't go so well. By Saturday, one of their key sources, retired Maj. Gen. Bobby Hodges, had said that CBS misled him, and that he had never been shown the memos in question.

"We pulled the trick of only calling some sources at the last minute to reconfirm," says the CBS producer. "Someone called Hodges, I think, on Monday night and read him parts of the document. The late contacts are a standard practice so we don't tip off the competition or our sources."

Hodges is a critical loss for CBS News' credibility. He was the superior officer of the man CBS claims wrote the memo, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who died in 1984.

MEANWHILE, OVER THE WEEKEND journalists from around the country were attempting to track down the original source of the documents. "We're having a hard time tracking how we got the documents," says the CBS News producer. "There are at least two people in this building who have insisted we got copies of these memos from the Kerry campaign by way of an additional source. We do not have the originals, and our sources have indicated to us that we will not be getting the originals. How that is possible I don't know."

One individual several news outlets were looking at was Bill Burkett, a former Texas National Guard officer. Burkett in the past has cooperated with both press and Democratic Party opposition researchers in slinging mud at President Bush. Burkett gained some national attention earlier in the campaign when he claimed he was at National Guard headquarters in Austin 1997, when he overheard Guard officials and a representative of then Governor Bush discuss how to sanitize Bush's files. That story was fully discredited. Nonetheless, Burkett sat down for at least three different interviews with CBS News for the story now at the center of the controversy. One of those interviews was with Rather's producer, Ms. Mapes.

"There are rumors here that if there are any real documents, they are hand-written notes from Killian that someone like Burkett was holding, and that instead of using the hand-written notes, someone typed them up to look more official," says the CBS News producer. "They would look better on TV and posted on line if they were typed, but on a number of levels, that story just doesn't hold up. There are too many inconsistencies factually with what is in the memos."

THE MOST GLARING ISSUES now are the seemingly phony P.O. Box addresses used in the headers of at least one of the memorandums. Such post office box addresses were not used by the National Guard at that time, let alone a box with a number "34567," as in the memo.

Yet another issue: the 18-month gap between the retirement of Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt on March 1, 1972, and August 18, 1973, when the Killian of the disputed memos claimed that Staudt was putting pressure on him to sugarcoat an evaluation of Bush. Almost everyone involved in the National Guard in Texas says Staudt would have had virtually no influence in the active units nearly a year and a half after leaving the service.

PERHAPS MOST TROUBLING to the CBS News staff looking into how its story went off the rails is the timing of the memos' appearance. "Some 60 Minutes staffers have been working on this story for more than three years off and on," says the CBS News producer. "There have been rumors about these memos and what was in them for at least that long. No one had been able to find anything. Not a single piece of paper. But we know that a lot of people here interviewed a lot of people in Texas and elsewhere and asked very explicit questions about the existence of these memos. Then all of a sudden they show up? In one nice, neat package?"

This CBS New producer went on to explain that the questions 60 Minutes folk were asking were specific enough that people would have been able to fabricate the memorandums to meet the exact specifications the investigative journalists were looking for. "People were asking questions of sources like, 'Have you ever seen or heard of a memo that suspended Bush for failing to appear for a physical?' and 'Have you heard about or know of someone who has any documentation from back in the 1970s that shows there was pressure to get Bush into the National Guard?' It was like they were placing an order for a ready-made product. That is the biggest problem I have with this. It's all too neat and perfect for what we needed. Without these exact pieces of paper, we don't have a story. Dan has as much as admitted that. Everyone knows it. We were at a standstill on this story until these memos showed up."

REPORTERS ARE ALSO LOOKING at staff and associates of Sen. Tom Harkin, who enthusiastically held a press conference on Thursday morning using the forged documents as the tent pole for attacks against President Bush. Harkin called Bush a "liar."

"Harkin has been pushing this story for a while," says the CBS producer. "Not this specific story, but the 'Bush is a liar about his record' story. His people seemed particularly interested in making sure they could keep their boss up to date on what was going on."

That Harkin was the individual selected to be the attack dog on this particular issue was an interesting one, give that Harkin himself has a checkered history about telling the truth about his involvement in the Vietnam War.

WITH MORALE AT WHAT some Kerry campaign insiders consider an all-time low, Sen. John Kerry, who unlike Tom Harkin did serve in Vietnam, did what any true leader does. He sets up a conference call. During the Labor Day weekend, during meetings with senior staff, campaign director Mary Beth Cahill suggested to the candidate that he try to buck up the troops, since the media onslaught against him, as well as the dipping poll numbers, were affecting staff in Washington and in satellite offices around the country. Kerry acknowledged their concerns by gathering the Washington staff into the central office space in their McPherson Square suites and speaking to them via speaker phone. Kerry told them that things were going well on the road. The crowds were enthusiastic, and he could feel the campaign was moving in the right direction with the new senior staff additions.

"He actually said that he felt the campaign had turned the corner," says a Washington-based staffer. "Some of us couldn't help but laugh given that he's made fun of Bush for saying the same thing. You hear stuff like that and you just feel sick. You look over at people like [Joe] Lockhart and Cahill and they seem to understand it too."

Kerry further undercut his own efforts, when he hung up his side of the call before any questions could be asked by staff members.

"[Kerry] doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that he has problems," says the staffer. "I'm low level, but there are a few people here who have stopped coming in to work or to volunteer. We've got some issues, and the guy who should be trying to help fix it doesn't seem to care."

Cahill seems to understand this. On Thursday, since the candidate wouldn't face his own staff, Cahill pulled out the big guns. She invited her old boss, Sen. Ted Kennedy down to the Washington offices to further raise the morale of Kerry's staff.

Kennedy actually said little about Kerry, beyond the fact that he was a fighter who would continue fighting. After mentioning Kerry, Kennedy then went on a 10-minute diatribe about President Bush. "His face was turning red, he was really getting into it," says the Kerry staffer. "Then the next day we saw him make the same speech on the floor of the Senate. Guess we were the dress rehearsal."

THERE ARE OTHER PROBLEMS with the Kerry campaign. According to several Kerry and DNC sources, Kerry advisers have been furiously holding focus group meetings in an attempt to find some issue of national concern that might cut their way in the coming weeks. But nothing they've looked at seems to be working. Of course, even if they were to find something there is no guarantee their man would run with it.

For example, some media types thought having his old pal John Sasso along on the road would help focus Kerry a bit more on his stump speeches. Judging by Kerry's performance last Thursday in North Carolina, they're not sure anymore. While talking about the economy, health-care policy, Kerry went off speech and began stumbling immediately. Kerry said that he would always tell the public the truth, and if the audience didn't believe him, they could "[g]o to a web site. It can be johnkerry.com or go some other place. Go to truth.com, if there is one, and find out what's really happening," Kerry said.

I just know this is going to go back to the DNC or some Dem partisan like Harkins-Dem=liars. Someone knew what CBS wanted and like a good samaritan supplied...the fake memos.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; cbsnews; killian; memo; napalminthemorning; nationalguard; presbush; rather
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 121-140141-160161-180 ... 321-323 next last
To: hinckley buzzard

No I didn't say it in sarcasm. I know their thoughts are of the worst kind, even to assinations, but to actually do this. A major network.

Maybe I'm in shock that Rather's career is over and he's gotten caught...it's doubtful this would be the first time pulling something like this. I can only imagine what he was doing for Clinton's 8 years.


141 posted on 09/12/2004 10:34:12 PM PDT by swheats
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 116 | View Replies]

To: hinckley buzzard; All
The 'suits' over at CBS may not be willing to allow Rather to destroy what little credibility they have left...we shall see. I must go to bed...Night all. I'll be checking this thread first thing in the AM...I think this thing is going to blow up. This is a huge scandal really and the journalist who can find out the real scoop is going to make a name for himself or herself. I have no doubt most of these guys and gals will throw Kerry overboard if it makes them journalist stars...probably win a Pulitzer prize.
142 posted on 09/12/2004 10:34:45 PM PDT by nyconse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 132 | View Replies]

To: Howlin
Have you EVER???

No, I haven't. But how many sheeple that use the MSM as their primary source of news will ever get this angle on the story?
143 posted on 09/12/2004 10:35:14 PM PDT by BJClinton (Donwload "The New Soldier" at http://freekerrybook.org/documents/NEWSOLDIER.pdf)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Khan Noonian Singh

There are two answers to your concern. One is, get originals. The other is, make sure you certify any copies as being from official sources. Like time/date stamps.


144 posted on 09/12/2004 10:35:25 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: BJClinton

BJ, there are too many people banging at the door now. CBS is out there all alone.

Pretty soon this could be a business transaction.


145 posted on 09/12/2004 10:36:18 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 143 | View Replies]

To: nyconse

nyconse.. i am afraid you are correct. It would not ever need to be 30 year old paper. They could simply be making notes of their mistakes and doing it anyway. I have a bad feeling that they are forging new documents as we speak.

Personally, I feel that this could be one of the reasons CBS is stonewalling.. So they can forge documents which are better than the current set of outright forgeries.


146 posted on 09/12/2004 10:36:32 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 96 | View Replies]

To: swheats; All

Must go to bed...I will check this thread in the AM...night all!


147 posted on 09/12/2004 10:37:50 PM PDT by nyconse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 141 | View Replies]

To: nyconse
E-Mail this story AND links to the media today.

John Kerry directly contributed to the lies of the anti war movement AND caused deaths and injuries
to US Military serving in Vietnam AND
directly caused deaths from injuries at home AND countless suicides because of his false testimony.

John Kerry is not fit to be elected dog catcher let alone President of the United States.
ANYONE who votes for Kerry AFTER knowing this data
is guilty of covering up John Kerry's war crimes!


John Kerry, director of the Vietnam Veterans against the War,
testified before special session the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
April 22, 1971

KERRY GAVE TESTIMONY BASED UPON FALSE INFORMATION
THAT KERRY KNEW AHEAD OF TIME TO BE FALSE!




September 6, 2004 -- **BREAKING** In Yesterday's Lies: Steve Pitkin and the Winter Soldiers, Scott Swett tells the story of a former VVAW member and participant in the Winter Soldier Investigation who states that John Kerry and others pressured him to give false testimony about American atrocities in Vietnam. After more than 33 years, Pitkin is the first Winter Soldier "witness" to file a legal affadavit regarding that event...

My name is Steve Pitkin, age 20, from Baltimore. I served with the 9th Division from May of '69 until I was airvaced in July of '69. I'll testify about the beating of civilians and enemy personnel, destruction of villages, indiscriminate use of artillery, the general racism and the attitude of the American GI toward the Vietnamese. I will also talk about some of the problems of the GIs toward one another and the hassle with officers.

-- Steve Pitkin, Winter Soldier Investigation, February 1, 1971.


E-Mail and/or fax these url's to EVERYONE ASAP! Kerry MUST be exposed NOW!
PUT PRESSURE ON THE MEDIA TO COVER THIS BEFORE NOV 2nd

Steve Pitkin Story


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=YesterdaysLies1

Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff

Steve Pitkin DD-214


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/graphics/PitkinDD214.jpg

Steve Pitkin WSI testimony


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinWSI

Steve Pitkin WSI video clips -- February 1, 1971 (4:16, 1.6MB)


http://www.wintersoldier.com/video/pitkin2.wmv

John F. Kerry
Timeline of a traitor.
Click Here


http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html


Guide to Local Media
Locate media in your zip code, gives you links to YOUR local media with phone, e-mail etc info.

Free Internet Fax Service
Free E-Mail to Fax from your computer, just fill in form on page , they do the rest.
Make sure you enter fax # like this 12025551212 (no spaces or -)


Is the number you want them to SEND FREE FAX covered?

Complete list of areas they SEND FREE FAXES to

Kerry's disrespect in 1971 to USA Symbols Video

Windows Media .......... Real Player .......... Quick Time .......... AOL

Ramsey Clark to Join Panel for Saddam’s Defense
arabnews press release 25 August 2004

NOTE :
Ramsey Clark is pictured below with Kerry and
Vietnam phony vet Al Hubbard
Who was head of the
Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement.



Al Hubbard Sgt., 22 Troop Carrier Squadron Aug. ’65-June ’66
- Al Hubbard, proven fraud who never set foot in Viet Nam.
The only Vietnamese he ever met was
when he was collaborating with the North Vietnamese in Paris
on the American Communist Party's nickel.

John Kerry's explanation:
"He (Hubbard) simply exaggarated his particular position.
But nobody knew it at the time. And those things happen."

Free online version of
Kerry's "The New Soldier"
You can read it online right now.

Kerry hopes everyone
in the USA gets this book!


NEW:
“Without question,
we were held captive longer
because of the anti-war people,
the Kerrys, the Fondas and Haydens,
the names we knew over there -
they encouraged the enemy to hang on.”
Excerpt from “Stolen Honor” website
- Leo Thorsness
Former Vietnam POW
CLICK HERE


Jane Fonda tells the student audience at the Michigan State University in 1969:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope,
you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communist."


Joe Moore, Can Tho Airfield 550th Signal Company


Copy and paste the links to everyone you know.

Steve Pitkin Affadavit, August 31, 2004

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff

John F. Kerry Timeline of a traitor

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

Kerry's disrespect in 1971
to USA Symbols Video

Windows Media
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.wmv

Real Player
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.rm

Quick Time
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.mov

AOL
http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/medals.mpg

Send this url for the online "The New Soldier" version

http://ejsmithweb.com/fr/newsoldier/

Send this url for the Stolen Honor website

http://www.stolenhonor.com/




148 posted on 09/12/2004 10:38:26 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOUR YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nyconse

I am telling you George, All I have to do is leave this red folder on McAullife's desk.
149 posted on 09/12/2004 10:38:39 PM PDT by nonkultur
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Howlin

Any bets on whether Rather will be hosting CBS news later today or will there be substitute?


150 posted on 09/12/2004 10:39:25 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 135 | View Replies]

To: Boundless
Harkin and Burkett are "persons of interest", as well as several other names.

It is really hard to make up my mind who would do this. The rats are so lacking in any morals it could be anyone. I really don't think anyone at CBS done this. Barnes and Burkett are strong possibilities. But my guess is that it is some DNC staffer and McAuliffe knows who it is or gave the order. And a part of me says it can't be some lowly staffer. Pulling a stunt like this takes a certain type of individual with a massive ego.

151 posted on 09/12/2004 10:40:16 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 121 | View Replies]

To: Diddle E. Squat

Me too... if this blew up in Harkin's face do you think it would give Bush the boost he needs in Iowa? Could we get a two-fer out of it (like banishment from the Senate?)


152 posted on 09/12/2004 10:41:34 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Howlin
""I'll bet George W. went to Hazelden too" -- the alcohol rehab facility -- "but I can't prove it." Mary Louise Oates, who happens to be the wife of Democratic strategist, Kerry strategist Bob Shrum."

Why is Shrum still pretending to be straight? He's going to McGreevy all over his wife one day, I'd lay odds...

The AWB Has Expired - Gun Owners Have Won Again For All Americans!

153 posted on 09/12/2004 10:41:43 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 135 | View Replies]

To: nyconse
......they got them from Kerry...now Harkin may have given them to Kerry...after he found someone to fake them...who faked them? Some retired military guy?

No, some young idealistic staffer faked them. Said staffer is young enough never to have written on a typewriter. Said sacrificial lamb is already picked out, and will lie and fall on his/her sword, for the promise of a good job with a liberal organization.
154 posted on 09/12/2004 10:42:10 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 103 | View Replies]

To: Indie
And since originals do not exist

Sure they do, just look in the "My Documents" folder of staffers for Hillary...
155 posted on 09/12/2004 10:42:22 PM PDT by BJClinton (Donwload "The New Soldier" at http://freekerrybook.org/documents/NEWSOLDIER.pdf)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: rolling_stone

"....hmm maybe he just got lazy and used a PC..."

Any of our crack investigators looked at any of kerry's records with this in mind?


156 posted on 09/12/2004 10:42:24 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 102 | View Replies]

To: nonkultur
Careful some loser Duer will copy this and post it as a true story...koolaide drinkers! You know there was very little tech discussion on DU about the memos...wanted to see if they were squirming when this story broke. What do these people do? They were monitoring our threads...to get some ideas. And you can't believe the convoluted completely impossible 'I have proof memos are genuine threads'. One couldn't even follow their logic...it was bizarre.
157 posted on 09/12/2004 10:42:30 PM PDT by nyconse
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 149 | View Replies]

To: Howlin

I'm just amazed at how obvious they are


158 posted on 09/12/2004 10:43:06 PM PDT by Mo1 (Why is the MSM calling the Vietnam Vets and POW's a suspected group??)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 135 | View Replies]

To: p. henry
How can CBS not know how they received the documents and yet have sources that tell them that they will not receive the originals?

Dan Rather is on the record as receiving the documents from unimpeachable sources. That means he received them from directly from his leaders in the DNC.

159 posted on 09/12/2004 10:43:44 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: Texasforever

I thought of that.


160 posted on 09/12/2004 10:44:09 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 150 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 121-140141-160161-180 ... 321-323 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson