[not_apathetic_anymore]

Author is an expert in digital typesetting and has many enlarged examples

[Techster]

I would be great if Fox or anybody other than cbs would get an interview from this expert.

[js1138]

I might add that in 1986 or so, I used a Unix based word processor that output PostScript files. I made a screen shot macro that could scale to any size.
All the included fonts scaled exactly to within 1/1000 of a point. It did proportional spacing, but not kerning.

[N. Beaujon]

If someone had come forward presenting a “lost” painting by Leonardo da Vinci, which used acrylic paints including Cadmium Yellow and Titanium White, art experts would roll of the floor laughing at the clumsiness of the forgery!!!

Thank you! Bless this guys heart!! This is the perfect analogy because any of us who were working in the creative fields (pre-press, production, advertising,print production) could tell these were frauds. This man is older than I am and he knows. I've been working with linotype and desktop publishing since the early 80's and there is just now way, no way these docs were done in the 70's. We would have had to take them to pre-production people and typesetters to get those results in the 80's! In the 70's, in a field office in the Texas National Guard? I mean LOL.

The metaphor this man used was perfect about Cadmium Yellow and Titanium White. The IRONY is these fogeries have been filtering through newspaper offices and every linotype guy and press person on staff know what is what. Go into any printing press room over at USA Today, the "New" New York Times, or any of these MSM media con artists and these guys on the line know these docs are a crock. But Dan Rather couldnt figure it out? Or his producers? OR his graphic artists? I mean, let's get real here. Again, let's get real!

[not_apathetic_anymore]

I don't know if you've been pinged to this thread, but I should have done that right away.

You knew they were fake when you saw the memos. Here's a very detailed explanation. (AT least very detailed to me)

[CyberAnt]

"How could anyone believe these memos are other than incompetent forgeries?"

WOW! This is a very telling statement .. and confirmes to me CBS/Dan KNEW THESE WERE FORGERIES and they accepted them as valid anyway.

[wildbill]

This is the most technically detailed article I've seen and is by a man who has a resume on font technology second to none.

This case is closed.

[aruanan]

This was a good one:

You cannot assemble a set of assertions about what MIGHT have been possible using a variety of unrelated technologies that existed in 1972, and somehow magically combine them into a single technology that could have existed in the offices of the Texas Air National Guard, used for casual memos, and produced the memos in question that are VIRTUALLY PIXEL-LEVEL IDENTICAL TO THOSE PRODUCED BY MICROSOFT WORD.

[Jet Jaguar]

BTTT

[Paleo Conservative]

[chaosagent]

PING

[LogicWings]

The real question is:

How long has Rather Dan and CBS been doing this kind of thing undetected? Do you really think this is the first time?

Like that time Dateline got busted staging that phony exploding gas tank deal with pickup trucks years ago.

Tha mainstream liberal media has been lying to the people in the name of "objective" news for generations.

The only difference now is now we have the alternative media outlets like talk radio, the bloggers and the internet. Otherwise this whole deal would have gone undetected. Which is what they, the forgers and CBS, were counting on.

I've lost count of the lies surrounding the whole deal. Like Barnes saying as Lt. Gov. of Texas being "pressured" by the "powerful" Bush family to get Dubya into the National Guard. Only problem is, in 1968 Barnes wasn't Lt. Gov. yet, that didn't happen until 1969, and the Demo-rats were in total control of the presidency, the Senate, the House, the Gov. of Texas and both legislative houses in Texas. IOW, the Bushes weren't "powerful" at that point in time, they were on the outs. It was only later after Herbert Walker Bush was head of the CIA and then V.P. that they became "powerful."

The other point was made by Killian's son,who served with his father, the latter the supposed author of the forged documents. He said his father would never have crafted such letters because if they were ever found it would put him (Dad) in deep Kim Chee. He would then have to answer why he wrote such glowing official reports if his personal opinion were the opposite. Far from giving him "CYA" it would be evidence of exactly the contrary. It would be proof that he lied on the official reports. No officer would be stupid enough to do this.

Aside from the computer/typewriter differences, the timelines alone disprove these documents. And the logic of the last point raised by Killian's son is the nail in the coffin. These are forgeries.

The question is, who would do such a thing? Are there any other forgeries we know of?

Hmmmm, let me see.

John Kerry's web site has a certificate for a Silver Star with a "V" for "Valor." Small problem is the Silver Star never was issued with a "V" for "Valor" because the Silver Star is an award for "Valor" in and of itself and the "V" designation would be redundant.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Seems forgeries follow the Kerry campaign around.

Why do you think that is?

[ambrose]

bump.

[Mitchell]

Ping. This is a definitive article demonstrating the forgery, written by Joseph Newcomer, a desktop publishing pioneer and an expert in computer fonts.

Here's the link again:

http://www.flounder.com/bush.htm

[Born to Conserve]

Is there someone who can help this poor guy with bandwidth?

Even his main site is down now. His e-mail is

newcomer@flounder.com

Do NOT add to his burden buy inundating his e-mail with praise!

If you can give him a site with bandwidth and an FTP address for him to use to upload the critique, maybe we can help this guy.

[AxelPaulsenJr]

Bump for later.