Posted on 09/11/2004 6:18:08 PM PDT by Indie
WASHINGTON, Sept. 11 - President Bush and his top advisers have received intelligence reports in recent days describing a confusing series of actions by North Korea that some experts believe could indicate the country is preparing to conduct its first test explosion of a nuclear weapon, according to senior officials with access to the intelligence.
While the indications were viewed as serious enough to warrant a warning to the White House, American intelligence agencies appear divided about the significance of the new North Korean actions, much as they were about the evidence concerning Iraq's alleged weapons stockpiles.
Some analysts in agencies that were the most cautious about the Iraq findings have cautioned that they do not believe the activity detected in North Korea in the past three weeks is necessarily the harbinger of a test. A senior scientist who assesses nuclear intelligence says the new evidence "is not conclusive," but is potentially worrisome.
If successful, a test would end a debate that stretches back more than a decade over whether North Korea has a rudimentary arsenal, as it has boasted in recent years. Some analysts also fear that a test could change the balance of power in Asia, perhaps leading to a new nuclear arms race there.
In interviews on Friday and Saturday, senior officials were reluctant to provide many details of the new activities they have detected, but some of the information appears to have come from satellite intelligence.
One official with access to the intelligence called it "a series of indicators of increased activity that we believe would be associated with a test," saying that the "likelihood" of a North Korean test had risen significantly in just the past four weeks.
It was that changed assessment that led to the decision to give an update to President Bush, the officials said.
The activities included the movement of materials around several suspected test sites, including one near a location where intelligence agencies reported last year that conventional explosives were being tested that could compress a plutonium core and set off a nuclear explosion. But officials have not seen the classic indicators of preparations at a test site, in which cables are laid to measure an explosion in a deep test pit.
"I'm not sure you would see that in a country that has tunnels everywhere," said one senior official who has reviewed the data. Officials said if North Korea proceeded with a test, it would probably be with a plutonium bomb, perhaps one fabricated from the 8,000 spent nuclear fuel rods that the North has boasted in the past few months have been reprocessed into bomb fuel.
A senior intelligence official noted Saturday that even if "they are doing something, it doesn't mean they will" conduct a test, noting that preparations that the North knew could be detected by the United States might be a scare tactic or negotiating tactic by the North Korean government.
Several officials speculated that the test, if it occurred, could be intended to influence the presidential election, though a senior military official said while "an election surprise" could be the motive, "I'm not sure what that would buy them."
While the intelligence community's experience in Iraq colors how it assesses threats in places like North Korea, the comparisons are inexact. Inspectors have seen and measured the raw material that the North could turn into bomb fuel; the only question is whether they have done so in the 20 months since arms inspectors were ousted. While Iraq denied it has weapons, the North boasts about them - perhaps too loudly, suggesting they may have less than they say.
On the other hand, the divisions within the administration over how to deal with North Korea mirrors some of the old debate about Iraq. Hard-liners in the Pentagon and the vice president's office have largely opposed making concessions of any kind in negotiations, and Vice President Dick Cheney has warned that "time is not on our side" to deal with the question. The State Department has pressed the case for negotiation, and for offering the North a face-saving way out. While the State Department has won the argument in recent times, how to deal with the North is a constant battle inside the administration.
Some of the senior officials who discussed the emerging indicators were clearly trying to warn North Korea's leader, Kim Jong Il, that his actions were being closely watched. Asian officials noted that there has been speculation in South Korea and Japan for some time that Mr. Kim might try to stage an incident - perhaps a missile test or the withdrawal of more raw nuclear fuel from a reactor - in an effort to display defiance before the election. "A test would be a vivid demonstration of their view of President Bush," one senior Asian diplomat said.
The intelligence information was discussed in interviews with officials from five government agencies, ranging from those who believe a test may occur at any moment to those who are highly skeptical. They had differing access to the intelligence: some had reviewed the raw data and others had seen a classified intelligence report about the possibility of a test, perhaps within months, that has circulated in Washington in the past week. Most, but not all, were career officials.
If North Korea successfully tested a weapon, the reclusive country would become the eighth nation to have proven nuclear capability - Israel is also assumed to have working weapons - and it would represent the failure of 14 years of efforts to stop the North's nuclear program.
Government officials throughout Asia and members of Mr. Bush's national security team have also feared it could change the nuclear politics of Asia, fueling political pressure in South Korea and Japan to develop a nuclear deterrent independent of the United States.
Both countries have the technological skill and the raw material to produce a bomb, though both have insisted they would never do so. South Korea has admitted in the past few weeks that it conducted experiments that outside experts fear could produce bomb-grade fuel, first in the early 1980's and then in 2000.
Senior officials in South Korea and Japan did not appear to have been briefed about the new evidence, beyond what one called "a nonspecific warning of a growing problem" from American officials. But it is a measure of the extraordinary nervousness about the North's intentions that earlier this week, South Korean intelligence officials who saw evidence of an intense fire at a suspected nuclear location alerted their American counterparts that a small nuclear test might have already occurred. American officials reviewed seismic sensors and other data and concluded it was a false alarm, though the fire has yet to be explained.
North Korea has declared several times in the past year that it might move to demonstrate its nuclear power. It is impossible to know how such a test might affect public perceptions of how Mr. Bush has handled potential threats to the United States. Senator John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee, has already accused President Bush of an "almost myopic" focus on Iraq that has distracted the United States while North Korea, by some intelligence estimates, has increased its arsenal from what the C.I.A. suspects was one or two weapons to six or eight now.
Mr. Bush, while declaring he would not "tolerate" a nuclear North Korea, has insisted that his approach of involving China, Russia, Japan and South Korea in a new round of talks with the North is the only reasonable way to force the country to disarm. He has refused to set the kind of deadline for disarmament that he set for Saddam Hussein.
When asked in an interview with The New York Times two weeks ago to define what he meant by "tolerate," he said: "I don't think you give timelines to dictators and tyrants. I think it's important for us to continue to lead coalitions that are firm and strong, in sending messages to both the North Koreans and the Iranians."
The differing assessments of North Korea's intentions may reflect the competing lessons of two huge intelligence failures: the failure of the C.I.A. and other intelligence agencies to detect India's preparations for a nuclear test in 1998, and the false warnings about the state of Iraq's nuclear, biological and chemical programs in 2002, which became the chief justification for invading the country. An investigation into the first failure, a test that took intelligence officials by surprise and led to Pakistan's first tests, prompted searing criticisms of the nation's intelligence agencies. It also created an atmosphere, intelligence professionals say, that encouraged early warning of any hint that another country is preparing a nuclear test.
Eric Schmitt contributed reporting for this article.
"So why doesn't Bush go in?"
China.
I wonder which would flip the Chinese out worse- a nuclear-armed Mad Hatter on their border, or Americans?
STANDING BY
Thank You Bill Clinton and Mad'lin Half-bright....The Klinton admin...the gift that keeps on giving...
Aside from the Korean War, what's the recent history of Chinese aid to NK? I know they turned off the oil pipeline for a few days. To me, that's a huge break in attitude since they were sending infantry divisions marching towards the Yalu.
If I had to guess, China is too interested in their international trade standing to risk pariah status from supporting a weirdo leader of a fairly insignificant swath of east asian land.
I'm sure more familiar FRreepers will educate me :-)
Why We Won't Invade North Korea
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2003-01-06-1.html
HUH?
One thing missing from the connection is mooslimes. North Korea is not a mooslime nation. It would be hard to make the nitwit populations believe that Kim John ILL has links to kerrorists. Though this is just the thing that could lead the Islamonazis to bid cash for nukes from the North Koreans...and maybe get one or two.
It's too late to reverse North Korea from going nuclear without taking down the whole regime of Kim Jong Il. The world sat by and let it happen all these years, and now it will face the consequences of letting a maniac Nazi-like state hold one.
The State Department has pressed the case for negotiation, and for offering the North a face-saving way out. While the State Department has won the argument in recent times, how to deal with the North is a constant battle inside the administration.
If Kim does a test, he will gain face, not lose it. What does the writer mean by a "way out"? Kim wants to be a nuclear power since that will allow him to continue his kingdom of the crazy.
As to South Korea's and Japan's reactions, well, Japan is already considered a "paranuclear" state by the FAS. There have been interesting indications and rumors for many years about what might be going on behind the stolid assurances that Japan will never possess nuclear weapons. We already know that South Korea has been experimenting, though apparently to a very limited extent.
As to what we or China might do when Kim does make a test -- I consider such a test as a certainty -- I don't imagine that we will do anything except tut-tut. China will offer their congratulations on joining the club, much as they did with Pakistan. I don't believe that Kim would be doing this unless China had conveyed clearly to him that he was to do so, and they probably have been aiding him directly. If he really were acting out of bounds, they would not allow him to traipse around, like his April visit to Beijing. Contrast with Japan's Prime Minister Koizumi, apparently who is persona non grata due to simply visiting Yasukuni a few times -- this despite an agreement to have reciprocal visits on regular basis. If China really were seriously upset with Kim, Kim would be even more unwelcome than Koizumi.
Of course, if by some freakish chance Kerry were elected, then we would immediately continue the Clinton/Carter appeasement formulation --- heck, we would probably offer to help them improve their yields and offer better missile technology. "Why sell Kim the rope to hang us when we can just give it to them?" seems to be the Democrats "thought" with respect to Kim.
China has the US by the nads as far as trade goes. IMO, they fear no one economically.
I think the Chicoms would react negatively if we attacked NK. I don't know what they would do, but because of the proximity involved, they'd have to respond for their own sense of soverignty.
Just as if China attacked Cuba, we would not stand for that.
The rulers of NK are insane. Most of the population is close to starving and they waste money on a-bombs and other weapons.
We don't want to invade NK and S. Korea doesn't want to invade the North, so why rationally does NK build these weapons?
We already under Clintoon offered NK food and energy, and NK cheats and broke the agreements. The country is run by insane people. That's a good reason to neutralize them before they use those bombs on the South or US.
Outstanding essay. Thanks for that.
abigkahuna is back from his summer sojourns. What an adventure including emergency operations for mrs big kahuna.
I remember an interview this summer between Art Bell and the Remore Viewr Mjr Ed Dames. Okay-Okay stop chuckling. Anyway Dames said NK would lite one off this fall. prpbably around September. Not a real streatch of the imagination if one reads the papers. But heres the rest: US would send in the navy, china would take chance to go avter Tawian and as ewveryone begins to go, everyone packs up and goes home because something in the skies tells everyone there are bigger fish to fry.
It all revolves around solar flares and earths magnetic shield.
Now you can file this away as entertainemnt as I do with much of Coast to Coasts guests; still, time will tell.
The Chinese Regime is a big problem re: NK. But I have to think that even they don't like the idea of NK w/ nukes.
Their major concern is that they don't want a reunited Korea.
Hopefully they can be made to see that NK+Nukes = bad time for everyone.
But I still say, if NK tests we have to go in. I think we should go in now and should have gone in years ago. Cliton/Carter screwed us.
In 20 years Clinton will rank w/ the worst of Presidents.
My guess is that this is the October Surprise.If it is, it'll be hugely beneficial to GWB. The Democrats were whining against going into Iraq, claiming that NK was much more of a threat.
Assuming it takes place in a deep pit! I'd expect the first solid indication we'll get that NK really has nukes might be atmospheric test a thousand miles out at sea, a few weeks before the election.
Kim's so crazy he might even think it's a good idea to choose ground zero so that the fallout crosses the continental US.
Accompany the demo with a statement from Pyongyang that "the dimwit George Bush" had better stop threatening N. Korea, and I think it would have a huge effect on the election. Maybe not like Kim would anticipate.
OTOH, Kerry and the rats would be all over it 24/7, claiming that Bush a madman and that he was leading us into a nuclear Armageddon. Hard to predict what would happen on election day in that case. Lots of Americans would be terrified.
China.
Nope. China would be perfectly happy for North Korea to go away. All China gets from North Korea are illegal aliens. North Korea is worthless as a trading partner, unneeded as a military ally, and diplomatically disastrous as a friend.
The real answer is South Korea. The South Koreans call the shots, here. Their asses are on the line in ways that ours are not, and they are scared. Any conflict means widespread death and destruction in South Korea, guaranteed. We can't wade in without their go-ahead, and that won't come until they get invaded.
A nuclear test might change that, though.
In truth, those Dems don't give a flying crap about Iraq or the Korean Peninsula, or even the Sudan, except inasmuch as it can be used as a weapon against the Administration.
All of their facile sactimony about the 'lives of our troops', except in the odd instance where one of them is personally close to some GI, is entirely manufactured. It is *all* about power.
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