KERRY & MEDIA TO ATTACK BUSH

Fiedor Report On the News #316 ^ | 9-11-04 | Doug Fiedor

[forest]

To Reply #9: " In Massachusetts, ... Republicans are just starting to come out of hiding ..."

That is the most significant statement in your post, IMHO. Maybe Massachusetts will wake up now. That will be devastating to the Hillary camp.

[delacoert]

Is anyone in news/media, old or new, locked and loaded to bring this stuff out in the open in a credible way?

[forest]

To Reply #20: The credit goes to author Doug Fiedor. He's the Guy with the smarts.

[fish hawk]

"Kerry and Media to attack Bush"

No kidding, when will it start?

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!

[Siegfried]

Well, since this thread is about theories why Kerry is not fit to command...

I am curious as to why Kerry volunteered for Swift boat duty. I know that Swift boats weren't engaging the enemy in action at the time Kerry volunteered, but it still showed some initiative for Kerry to volunteer to get off a nice, safe ship cruising well outside enemy fire. My own theory is that Kerry was not getting along with his CO on the Gridley and that's why he volunteered for Swift boat duty.

Does anybody know if the released Effectiveness reports cover the time Kerry served on the Gridley? Or are those some of the reports Kerry hasn't released?

And another rumor I've heard that I'd like to hear about is whether Kerry and Ms. Teresa are really married? Simple question, but are there any factual (unforged) documents proving that Kerry is married to Mrs. Heinz? Others have commented that they don't know the details of the pre-nup in Kerry's marriage, but maybe there's a reason for that.

[knak]

great article, bookmarked it

[Smartass]

GOD BLESS THE SWIFTEES - Click the logo to donate to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!

[Happy2BMe]

Bill was schlick - Hillary is schlicker!

[ppaul]

Prepare

CBS stands by challenged documents on Bush
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON -- CBS News acknowledges memos it received about President Bush's service in the Air National Guard are difficult to definitively authenticate, but says they came from "solid sources."

Some forensic experts were quoted by news organizations, including The Associated Press, saying the memos appeared to have been computer-generated with characteristics that weren't available three decades ago.

On Friday's "CBS Evening News," anchor Dan Rather said that "no definitive evidence" has emerged to prove the documents are forgeries.

"If any definitive evidence comes up, we will report it," Rather said.

The show broadcast excerpts of interviews with Marcel Matley, a San Francisco document expert, who said he believed the memos were genuine.

CBS can state "with absolute certainty" that the disputed memos could have been produced on typewriters available in the early 1970s when the memos are purported to have been written, the network said. Rather said the typeface and style of the memos were available on typewriters since well before the 1970s.

But CBS News said in a statement: "The documents are backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but sources familiar with their content." Matley was the only expert cited, and he focused on signatures on the memos.

Matley and Rather acknowledged the memos were difficult to definitively authenticate because CBS has only photocopies, not the originals. Matley did not return a telephone message left at his office immediately after Friday's report.

At question are memos that carry the signature of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who was the commander of Bush's Texas Air National Guard fighter squadron. They say Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's record, and Bush refused a direct order to take a required medical examination and discussed how he could skip drills.

Casting further doubt on the memos, The Dallas Morning News said in a report for its Saturday editions that the officer named in a memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's record had left the Texas Air National Guard 1 1/2 years before the memo was dated.

The newspaper said it obtained an order showing that Walter B. Staudt, former commander of the Texas Guard, retired on March 1, 1972. The memo was dated Aug. 18, 1973. A telephone call to Staudt's home Friday night was not answered.

"60 Minutes" relied on the documents as part of a Wednesday

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Article published Sep 11, 2004
CBS stands by challenged documents on Bush

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON CBS News acknowledges memos it received about President Bush's service in the Air National Guard are difficult to definitively authenticate, but says they came from "solid sources."

Some forensic experts were quoted by news organizations, including The Associated Press, saying the memos appeared to have been computer-generated with characteristics that weren't available three decades ago.

On Friday's "CBS Evening News," anchor Dan Rather said that "no definitive evidence" has emerged to prove the documents are forgeries.

"If any definitive evidence comes up, we will report it," Rather said.

The show broadcast excerpts of interviews with Marcel Matley, a San Francisco document expert, who said he believed the memos were genuine.

CBS can state "with absolute certainty" that the disputed memos could have been produced on typewriters available in the early 1970s when the memos are purported to have been written, the network said. Rather said the typeface and style of the memos were available on typewriters since well before the 1970s.

But CBS News said in a statement: "The documents are backed up not only by independent handwriting and forensic document experts but sources familiar with their content." Matley was the only expert cited, and he focused on signatures on the memos.

Matley and Rather acknowledged the memos were difficult to definitively authenticate because CBS has only photocopies, not the originals. Matley did not return a telephone message left at his office immediately after Friday's report.

At question are memos that carry the signature of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, who was the commander of Bush's Texas Air National Guard fighter squadron. They say Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's record, and Bush refused a direct order to take a required medical examination and discussed how he could skip drills.

Casting further doubt on the memos, The Dallas Morning News said in a report for its Saturday editions that the officer named in a memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's record had left the Texas Air National Guard 1 1/2 years before the memo was dated.

The newspaper said it obtained an order showing that Walter B. Staudt, former commander of the Texas Guard, retired on March 1, 1972. The memo was dated Aug. 18, 1973. A telephone call to Staudt's home Friday night was not answered.

"60 Minutes" relied on the documents as part of a Wednesday segment - reported by Rather - on Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard from 1968 to 1973.

Former colleagues of Killian disagreed Friday on the authenticity of the documents.

One, who appeared in the TV newsmagazine segment, said Friday he did not see anything in the memos that made him think they were forgeries. Robert Strong noted he's not a forensic expert and isn't vouching for the documents.

"I didn't see anything that was inconsistent with how we did business," Strong said in an interview. "It looked like the sort of thing that Jerry Killian would have done or said. He was a very professional guy."

Both Wednesday and Friday, Strong was the only associate of Killian quoted by CBS as supporting the memo's contents.

Retired Col. Maurice Udell, the unit's instructor pilot who helped train Bush, said Friday he thought the documents were fake.

"I completely am disgusted with this (report) I saw on '60 Minutes,'" Udell said. "That's not true. I was there. I knew Jerry Killian. I went to Vietnam with Jerry Killian in 1968."

Killian's son also questioned some of the documents, saying his father would never write a memo like the "sugar coat" one.

Several of the document examiners said one clue that the documents may be forgeries was the presence of superscripts - in this case, a raised, smaller "th" in two references to Guard units.

Rather said typewriters were available in the early 1970s which were capable of printing superscripts. CBS pointed to other Texas Air National Guard documents released by the White House that include an example of a raised "th" superscript.

That superscript, however, is in a different typeface than the one used for the CBS memos. Document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines of Paradise Valley, Ariz., who examined the documents for the AP, said she was "virtually certain" they were generated by computer.

Lines said that meant she could testify in court that, beyond a reasonable doubt, her opinion was that the memos were written on a computer.

CBS has not revealed its source or sources for the documents or the names of experts besides Matley it said examined the memos before Wednesday's report.

Bush spokesman Scott McClellan said Friday the White House, which distributed the memos after obtaining them from CBS News, was not trying to verify their authenticity. "We don't know if the documents are fabricated or authentic," McClellan told reporters traveling with the president to West Virginia.

McClellan suggested the memos surfaced as part of "an orchestrated effort by Democrats and the Kerry campaign to tear down the president."

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Associated Press Correspondent Kelley Shannon contributed to this report from Austin, Texas.

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[WashStateGirl]

WOW, you just got me thinking... What IF Kerry's online war records ARE doctored and thats why he wont allow official total release... That would be the EXACT SAME M.O. as Doctoring Military Docs and floating them over to their buddies at CBS! This could be the linkage everyone is looking for. Total treasonous behaviour if you ask me. Meltdown time.

[johnb838]

There was quite a bit of this meanness crap that went on back in 1994 when Dubya ran against Ann Richards. Look who won. Furthermore, Dubya was vetted at that time as he was again in 2000, as he is being again now. It's always the same crap.

Notice I didn't say he was vetted when he ran for re-election as Texas Governor in 1998. He didn't have an opponent.

[johnb838]

They cannot defeat us on the battlefield, so they seek to undermine. And this includes our so-called friends in Europe as well as our foreign enemies and domestic traitors.

It's still hard to be humble when you're the best that ever was.

[johnb838]

"Kerry and Media to attack Bush"

More Bre'r Rabbit: Now you done really make me mad Tar Baby, so I'se gwine smack you wif de odder hand.

If the 2002 election was about the Little Red Hen, this one's about Bre'r Fox and Bre'r Rabbit.

[MeekOneGOP]

Good article:

There's another little problem American voters should be aware of. Kerry was treated for medical and psychiatric problems. Two are manifest by sleepwalking, which he admits. Kerry received both medical and psychiatric treatment for whatever reasons. Voters deserve a full report on that, else we cannot judge his trustworthiness as our nation's top cop and as commander of our armed forces.

Many in the media know of these problems. It's no secret. Yet, they never mention it. Why? If it were George Bush, they would be trumpeting that loud and clear, demanding all records be released.

We already know that Kerry is a compulsive liar and cannot hold a working opinion more then a few moments. What causes these problems? What else will we find in Kerry's medical and psychiatric records? Come on, media, stop protecting Kerry. The American people need to know.

[Smartass]

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[johnb838]

Well, apparently he's been doctoring his medal citations and using a classified signature machine to forge the Navy Secretary's signature since the 1980s. This really could be his M.O.

Or, it could be Michael Moore. I think it is very important to Br'er Moore to see himself as influential on the election. BTW, what have Alfrankenstein and Jeneane Gawdawfulho been up to lately? I haven't heard a peep out of them.

I also think that, if anybody can hold their nose long enough to do it, Democratic Underground should be investigated. This is excactly the sort of sophomoric prank that should be right up their alley. If so, it may have succeeded far beyond their wildest hopes. And raised the stakes far higher than intended if the perp gets caught. Much like certain virus writers who never intended to shut down the world internet, and have the FBI knocking on the door.

[Smartass]

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[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

MSNBC 's Chris matthews is attacking the POW's Producer of Stolen Honor and those Vets claiming that John Kerry's cactions were used in their torture.....claims to have POW's who never heard the name of Kerry in their camps and were also tortured!

Do not know if it is a replay!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

See my note just above.