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RATHER FORGES AHEAD
New York Post ^ | 9/11/04 | DDEBORAH ORIN and VINCENT MORRIS

Posted on 09/11/2004 12:19:33 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: Grampa Dave

Mary Mapes, Sy Hersch, Kitty Kelley, etc.

Can this be a coincidence?

The muckrakers!


101 posted on 09/11/2004 7:59:23 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: EllaMinnow
Patterico shoots down a promising pro-Kerry Web conspiracy theory--namely that the potential forgery of the CBS Bush guard documents was spotted so quickly on the Web that the person who spotted it ("Buckhead," poster #47 at Free Republic) must have been tipped off in advance.

But of course! It is a well-know fact that FReepers are ignorant, intolerant, evil, knuckle-dragging troglodytes genteically incapable of critical thinking or original thought.

He don't know us vewwy well, do he?

102 posted on 09/11/2004 7:59:54 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: CaptRon
It is a well-know fact that FReepers are ignorant, intolerant, evil, knuckle-dragging troglodytes genteically incapable of critical thinking or original thought.

In pajamas!

103 posted on 09/11/2004 8:01:22 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Howlin

Right, Howlin! How could I have overlooked that?!


104 posted on 09/11/2004 8:03:13 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Arnold Zephel

Millions of dollars of computer generated and copied totally bogus counterfeit US currency is passed off on CBS Dan Rather types daily. Mainly because they so much want to believe it is the genuine article, until they try to take it to the bank


105 posted on 09/11/2004 8:03:13 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Howlin

I've been out of the loop here for a few days, could you provide a link to the original thread where all this document forgery suspicion began? Thanks!


106 posted on 09/11/2004 8:03:20 AM PDT by HighWheeler (Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. - Marion Barry)
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To: Howlin

By the congratulations, even if you were in your pajamas!:)


Mary Mapes, Sy Hersch, Kitty Kelley, etc. are the trash recyclers of the DNC. What we are seeing and hearing now is their October Surprises.

They were ordered by the DNC to get this stuff out before Kerry ends up with negative poll numbers.

As they bring this trash out now, that means sharp freepers like you will be able to shine the spotlight of truth on their lying garbage.


107 posted on 09/11/2004 8:03:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

I find it interesting that no other Main Stream Media outlet is trying to run with this story (not the forgery.) They are mostly just watching CBS twist and spin in their own kool-aid. If there was any truth to the memos, CNN would have already picked up the ball and run with it. Can anyone tell me if any of the other MSM outlets are pushing the memo story as if it was real?


108 posted on 09/11/2004 8:04:16 AM PDT by Lowcountry
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

"National Gorilla Suit Day" ping!


109 posted on 09/11/2004 8:06:03 AM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket???)
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To: Arnold Zephel

Har, I like the little picutre of Karl Marx in the corner. :P


110 posted on 09/11/2004 8:09:37 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: kattracks

Well, Gee, I am only someone who Rather would most likely describe as an uneducated nobody, but even I can see that "story" was a great big old pile of horse chestnuts shoveled out to fool uneducated nobodies. - And, hey, didn't he say something to the effect that it all came from the horse's mouth, when even I can tell it came from the OTHER END of the horse.


111 posted on 09/11/2004 8:11:12 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: Unruly Human

Hmmm...What would a signature prove for a copied document? My little brother could scan in a handwriting sample, add it to a document, print it up, then photocopy it several times to get that "Real Authentic 70's Look."


112 posted on 09/11/2004 8:13:05 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: kattracks
Have One word for Dan Rather:

"Courage"

113 posted on 09/11/2004 8:13:39 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Lowcountry

"I find it interesting that no other Main Stream Media outlet is trying to run with this story ..."

My email to the other media outlets.

"How do you guys feel being treated like Dan Rather's bitch by him and CBS?

Rather said anyone who implied the documents might be fakes are just a bunch of right wing partisan hacks with no credibility?

You going to just roll over for him again, are you "real" journalists, or Rather Rather's girliemen?"


114 posted on 09/11/2004 8:15:56 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: kattracks
Typewriter expert can't duplicate memos using IBM selectric Composer

More IBM composer stuff here No way you can duplicate the memos on a typewriter.

But you can duplicate the memos with microsoft word. ;-)

115 posted on 09/11/2004 8:16:55 AM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: Grampa Dave

I think it's the Texas people.

Begala
Moyers
Moore
Mapes
Barnes
Ma Richards

and too many more to name


116 posted on 09/11/2004 8:22:07 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: HighWheeler
There is so much information OUT THERE, I decided to put up the OFFICIAL version, rather than let bloggers misconstrue what actually happened.

This is the OFFICIAL timeline:

I put this thread up for the 60 Minutes show.

Live Thread: Ben Barnes and CBS Attempt Another Bush Smear (60 Minutes) at 7:39:18 PM EDT.


At 8:19:00 PM EDT TankerKC posted this:

To: Howlin
WE NEED TO SEE THOSE MEMOS AGAIN!

They are not in the style that we used when I came in to the USAF. They looked like the style and format we started using about 12 years ago (1992). Our signature blocks were left justified, now they are rigth of center...like the ones they just showed.

Can we get a copy of those memos?

107 posted on 09/08/2004 8:19:00 PM EDT by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)
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To: Howlin
Every damned "witness" is now dead. I want to see an analysis of those new papers. They are all type written so it should be possible to see if it was written on a Government Issue typewriter of that era. This stinks like week old fish.
131 posted on 09/08/2004 8:24:06 PM EDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: cyncooper; TomGuy; hole_n_one

Can some of you guys in the later time zones WATCH this interview and get a GOOD LOOK at those docuemtns.....how they were typed, where the signature was.....that kind of thing?

A screen grab would be great!

Who else does screen captures?

197 posted on 09/08/2004 8:44:13 PM EDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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That thread continued along for a bit with people commenting on the documents and the show.


Then CBS put the documents up on their web site:


To: TC Rider; Mo1; All; cyncooper

HERE THEY ARE:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60II/main641984.shtml

Scroll down on the left!!!!!!

363 posted on 09/08/2004 10:38:38 PM EDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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Then Pikamax put up this thread:

Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard


To which Buckhead posted the shot heard round the world:


To: Howlin

Howlin, every single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman.

In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts.

The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90's. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used monospaced fonts.

I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.

This should be pursued aggressively.

47 posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:43 PM EDT by Buckhead
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After all the questions that arose from everybody on the forum, I put this thread up:


THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating


As Buckhead said on another thread, many, many Freepers were involved.

117 posted on 09/11/2004 8:25:26 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Grampa Dave
thanks for:

Go to the link and just sit back and watch the forgery recreated in about one minute.

http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf

Hmm... Palatino Linotype.

I am pretty happy to see that is the font used. I was not completely happy with the Times New Roman matchup. This is clearly much more similar, though with either one the match is uncanny. It is very hard to reconcile this with the technology available in the 70's, especially when the other style, paper, etc factors are taken into account.
118 posted on 09/11/2004 8:43:09 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys

Woah! That is great!


119 posted on 09/11/2004 8:46:45 AM PDT by Sea2ShiningSea (God shed His grace on thee.)
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To: Howlin
I must be one of the "High Class" FReepers.

Usually I wear shorts and a tee shirt... though I have been known to be around the 'puter with quite a bit less than that on occasion.
/
120 posted on 09/11/2004 8:47:44 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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