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Please join us this evening as we carve up roast anchorman in a live fisking. Send suggestions to blogs@ratherbiased.com We're looking especially for military sources regarding things like abbreviations, etc.
1 posted on 09/10/2004 10:08:55 PM PDT by RatherBiased.com
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Time to stick'm with a LONG fork! I think Dan is WELL-done.


2 posted on 09/10/2004 10:11:05 PM PDT by rebel_yell2
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William Pitt and the DUmmies are saying Rather buried the charges. They look rather funny on their knees for Rather.


3 posted on 09/10/2004 10:12:21 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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Excellently written article!


5 posted on 09/10/2004 10:20:53 PM PDT by spyone (Haven't)
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As one who grew up with "who" and "whom," I react sharply to the latter-day error of substituting "that." Thus I was struck by phrasing in the "memo" of August 1, 1972, "... qualified Vietnam pilots that have rotated...."

I don't believe anyone would have written this in 1972. It would have been, "...pilots who have rotated...."

6 posted on 09/10/2004 10:23:26 PM PDT by T'wit (Believing in socialism is like believing your car will run on water if you just keep trying.)
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Thanks for the summary... hopefully you won't have to worry about Dan TheNewsMan's misconduct much longer!


7 posted on 09/10/2004 10:23:44 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (CEO, VRWC: When you think treason, don't think Benedict Arnold - think JOHN FORGED KERRY!)
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don't you mean "staudt had retired in 1972" not 1973???


8 posted on 09/10/2004 10:25:31 PM PDT by flashbunny
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Please join us this evening as we carve up roast anchorman

I'd like a wing, the left wing,preferably.

9 posted on 09/10/2004 10:26:02 PM PDT by Redcoat LI ("I am the great and powerful Kerry! Look at my medals!")
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More good stuff...ping.


12 posted on 09/10/2004 10:31:33 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (God bless Senator Zell Miller.)
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Very well done. Thank you.


18 posted on 09/10/2004 10:45:05 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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We're looking especially for military sources regarding things like abbreviations, etc.

The bottom line in this case will be provided by forensic experts that will provide proof that no typewriter had the combination of features used in that memo.

Rather's defense is childishly naive. Yes, Times New Roman has been around since the 1930's......On Linotype machines:

History will judge Dan Rather as either a scoundrel or a fool.

For subjective military trivia.........

One memo had the date written as (let's use today's date):

11 September, 2004.

Proper military dating would have been:

11 September 2004

or

11 SEP 04

The date would never have had a comma after the date.

Another eye-catcher was an officer simply putting a rank in the signature space without then putting the branch of service right after it.

19 posted on 09/10/2004 10:54:27 PM PDT by Polybius
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The date would never have had a comma after the date.

Typo.

The date would never have had a comma after the month.

20 posted on 09/10/2004 11:01:34 PM PDT by Polybius
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From the comments page of http://wizbangblog.com/archives/003629.php:

Author: Timmer
Web Site: http://digitalwarfighter.com

Comment:
Old AF Admin Wheenie with 20 years in service here. One thing I haven't heard a lot about, only a little, is the format of some of the documents. They're just wrong. The headers are wrong. The signature blocks are wrong. They're just WRONG.

There's no such thing as a Memo for file. There's a Memorandum for Record, but no Memo for file. NO SUCH THING.

Addressing an official document with

MEMORANDUM FOR:

didn't occur until the 1990s. The AF didn't move their signature blocks over to the right of the documents until the same time, before then they were anchored four clear lines down the left margin.

An official signature block looks like this.

JOHN S. SUPERTROOP, Rank, USAF
Duty Title

Three line signature blocks are reserved for flag officers (Generals) and Colonels sitting in a General's billet. But they look like

JOHN S. SUPERTROOP
General, USAF
Duty Title

Now civilians may scoff and say so what? Who cares about admin details like that? Ummmmm, the military does...quite a bit too much actually. I've seen inspection teams tear entire careers apart over the admin details being mucked up.

There isn't an admin guy in any branch of the service who wouldn't have taken one look at these documents and waved the bullshit flag. You could show those documents to any airman coming fresh out of school down at Keesler and they'd have a blast tearing them apart.

Those documents aren't just fakes...they're really really bad fakes. And all it would have taken was someone with some sense of how these things are done. The more I look at them...the more I get the feeling that someone sort of scanned through http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/pubfiles/af/33/afman33-326/afman33-326.pdf AFM 33-326 and shoved all this together. Before that we had AFR 10-1 and it had the formats I mentioned above.

Remember though, before anyone goes, "Hey, that looks right." We didn't use that manual until 1996 and it's been updated since then.

Bottom line, wrong fonts, wrong headers, wrong formats. It's bullshit, you can't hide from it.


28 posted on 09/10/2004 11:20:36 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (we use the ¡°ml maximize¡± command in Stata to obtain estimates of each aj , bj, and cm.)
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Fox News Channel reported this evening that like each NG member, Bush had until his birthday, in late July, to take his physical, and a 3 month window in which to do so. The May letter ordering him to take a physical is just a couple of weeks into the 12 week window, and so there was no reason that one of his superiors would order him to take a physical when he still had 10 weeks left to take it.


35 posted on 09/10/2004 11:40:44 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat ( "History? I love history! So sequential...")
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Please join us this evening as we carve up roast anchorman in a live fisking

I'll take my portion without ketchup, please...

37 posted on 09/11/2004 12:01:43 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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A small point, but MemoGate concerned the leaked Intelligence Committe memos. It might be better to refer to this as RatherGate so as not to confuse the two while also pointing the finger of suspicion where it belongs. Especially since we're now being viewed by a larger audience, it will pay to be clear.


45 posted on 09/11/2004 10:23:16 AM PDT by ProfoundMan (Our girls can beat up your girlie men.)
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