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Hugh Hewitt Correspondence With Rice U Professor Shows CBS' Memos ARE Forgeries (MUST READ!!!)
HughHewitt.com ^ | 09/10/04 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 09/10/2004 7:17:29 PM PDT by goldstategop

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To: goldstategop
I have seen reports that Dan Rather has upped the ante on the authenticity of the Killian documents by insisting that they are authentic. How foolish!

No, how Dan Rather, He is the King, and how dare anyone question him? He will not let this go, and will pretend until his grave the docs are authentic! If he doesn't, I will be shocked.

21 posted on 09/10/2004 7:42:30 PM PDT by ladyinred ("John kerry reporting for spitball and typewriter duty.")
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To: goldstategop

bttt


22 posted on 09/10/2004 7:43:23 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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23 posted on 09/10/2004 7:43:44 PM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: goldstategop

I hope Dr. Cartwright still has his job, tomorrow. Rice is now, a very liberal institution. An excellent institution, but liberal.


24 posted on 09/10/2004 7:45:18 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: goldstategop; mad puppy
This is the best explanation I've seen yet.

Pinging madpuppy for a comment.

25 posted on 09/10/2004 7:48:15 PM PDT by SirChas
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To: goldstategop

Excellent article and Professor Cartwright is absolutely right. I used to program on a PDP-8 back in my college days (same period, 1971-1974) and have fond memories of the flexowriter. I still have printout and rolls of paper tape laying around in stored boxes from those days (I'm a packrat). Kids nowadays don't understand how simple it is for them to print copy, as compared to using typewriters in the old days. I still remember the rarity of using a Selectric, even then the fonts were on a ball and had fixed spacing.


26 posted on 09/10/2004 7:49:05 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: goldstategop; Travis McGee

1-- proportional spacing not generally available
2 -- superscripts not generally available
3 - small "th" single element not generally available (not common, but available. Highly unlikely the machines were available at TANG)
4 - Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5-The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.
7--Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
9 - words run over consistent with word processor
10 - Times Roman has been available since 1931, but only in linotype printshops...until released with Apple MacIntosh in 1984 and Windows 3.1 in 1991.
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors and whiteout
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
15 - Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.
16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match
17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.
18 - 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. does not exist (actually does exist, but Mr. Bush had already moved TWICE from this address at the time the memo was written).
19 - Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston (this has been confirmed by the Pentagon, per James Rosen on Fox News-However, many documents on John Kerry’s website show same)
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer.
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"
22 - Subject matter bizarre
23 - Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.
24 - kerning was not available
25 - In the August 18, 1973 memo, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." but General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.
26 - Language not generally used by military
27 - Not signed or initialed
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.
29 – Is the document original or a copy of an original? Why all the background noise such as black marks and a series of repeated dots (as if run through a Xerox).(Rather explained his document was a photocopy-brings up additional questions of how redacted black address was visible from a several generation copy)
31-The Killiam family rejected these documents as forgeries. Then where did the “personal files” come from if not the family?
32-Why no three hole punches evident at the top of the page?
33-Mr. Bush would have had automatic physical scheduled for his Birthday – in July! He would not have received correspondence.
34-Why is the redacted address of Longmont #8 visible beneath the black mark? This would have been impossible after one copy, but it would be visible if the document was scanned.
35-Why were these exact same documents available for sale on the Internet y Marty Heldt, of leftist web site Tom Paine, as early as January 2004? Is this where CBS obtained their copies?
36-Acronym should be ORT, not ORET.
37- Last line of document 4 "Austin will not be pleased with this" is not in the same font and has been added!
38-Handwriting experts are not document experts – apples and oranges.
39 - Lt Col Killian didn't type
40-The forged documents had no initials from a clerk
41-There was no CC list (needed for orders)
42-Subject line in memos was normally CAPITALIZED in the military
43-The forged documents used incorrect terminology ("physical examination" instead of "medical")
44-There was no "reciept confirmation box" (required for orders)
45-The superscript "th" in the forged documents was raised half-way above the typed line (consistent with MS Word, but inconsistent with military typewriters which kept everything in-line to avoid writing outside the pre-printed boxes of standard forms)
46-CBS admits that it does *not* have the originals, but only original documents can be proven to be real; copies can *never* be authenticated positively...repeat: only original documents can be proven real. CBS never had the originals, so CBS knew that it was publishing something that couldn't be assured of authenticity.
47-the manual cited in the first forged document on line 2 of the first point #1 of "AFM 35-13" doesn't exist. That line of text reads: "to conduct annual physical examination (flight)IAW AFM 35-13". "IAW" means "In Accordance With" and "AFM 35-13" would mean "Air Force Manual 35-13". There is no such Air Force Manual 35-13.


27 posted on 09/10/2004 7:49:27 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SirChas

Here's a link to Dr. Cartwright's research interests at Rice: http://www.cs.rice.edu/~cork/


28 posted on 09/10/2004 7:51:56 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: Oztrich Boy
Dan Rather

I believe you may have "coined" one there...

29 posted on 09/10/2004 7:52:02 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: goldstategop
. Precise proportional type-setting is a very demanding computational problem. Since modern PC's are more powerful than supercomputers from the 70's, we take this form of computation for granted.
30 posted on 09/10/2004 7:52:11 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: rocklobster11

In Word 2000 you have to manually select kerning, and also have a choice to do it with "xx point and above", such as 12 or 14, etc.


31 posted on 09/10/2004 7:53:25 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered.©)
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To: goldstategop

This reads an awful lot like an expert affidavit, something with which one could take to court and sue for damages.

Say $Billion$. How does one estimate damages from a fraud in a national general election effecting local, congressional, senate, governor and presidents?

Time to file suit! If not by Bush, then by the RNC!


32 posted on 09/10/2004 7:58:12 PM PDT by Prost1 (Why isn't Berger in jail?)
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To: rocklobster11

Copied from the Help file:

"Change the spacing between characters
Select the text you want to change.

On the Format menu, click Font, and then click the Character Spacing tab.

Do one of the following:
To expand or condense space evenly between all the selected characters, click Expanded or Condensed in the Spacing box, and then specify how much space you want in the By box.

To kern characters that are above a particular point size, select the Kerning for fonts check box, and then enter the point size in the Points and above box.

Note Selecting Expanded or Condensed alters the spacing between all selected letters by the same amount. Kerning alters the spacing between particular pairs of letters."


33 posted on 09/10/2004 7:58:20 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population - have them spayed or neutered.©)
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To: goldstategop

bump


34 posted on 09/10/2004 8:02:30 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: JoJo Gunn
Copied from the Help file: "Change the spacing between characters Select the text you want to change. On the Format menu, click Font, and then click the Character Spacing tab. Do one of the following: To expand or condense space evenly between all the selected characters, click Expanded or Condensed in the Spacing box, and then specify how much space you want in the By box. To kern characters that are above a particular point size, select the Kerning for fonts check box, and then enter the point size in the Points and above box. Note Selecting Expanded or Condensed alters the spacing between all selected letters by the same amount. Kerning alters the spacing between particular pairs of letters."

That was the point of my question: kerning is not automatic, and the overlay-exact match word doc was done with default settings. so, was any kerning done on the forgeries?

35 posted on 09/10/2004 8:04:28 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: goldstategop

analysis of the bush memo

http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf


36 posted on 09/10/2004 8:09:38 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: JoJo Gunn

I think you're all getting too caught up in altering the default kerning that is inherent in a font implementation. Fonts come with some level of kerning built in with Word. For proof, simply do this with a few random letter pairs in Word using Times New Roman. Type in one unkerned (new word is born thanks to Dan Rather) pair, carriage return, turn on kerning and type the same pair. Now blow them both up to 500% and you'll see they are identical. Now print them. They are identical. Kerning is not required or applicable to all MS Word TT fonts.


37 posted on 09/10/2004 8:12:57 PM PDT by usafsk ((Know what you're talking about before you dance the QWERTY waltz))
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To: rocklobster11
I don't think there was any kerning.

I was looking at the memo "BushGuardmay4.pdf" and zoomed in on the line that starts : 1. You are ordered

In a Word document I created two lines of the same text. The first line with kerning on, the second with it off.

It really looks like the forged doc matches my "kerning off" line. I can see the biggest difference with the letter pair "Yo" from You. Make sure to zoom you word doc to 150 or more to see the changes.

38 posted on 09/10/2004 8:13:56 PM PDT by SirChas
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To: ladyinred
"No, how Dan Rather, He is the King, and how dare anyone question him? "

That's rather Kerry of him, don't you think?

39 posted on 09/10/2004 8:14:12 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but have recently come to my senses.)
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To: usafsk

Thank you for pointing that out. I was just about to myself. That misconception keeps getting thrown about.


40 posted on 09/10/2004 8:17:32 PM PDT by Weirdad (A Free Republic, not a "democracy" (mob rule))
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