Suspicious Documents Went from DNC To Kerry Camp To CBS, Rather NOT a Victim

EIB ^ | 9-10-2004 | Rush Limbaugh

[jmstein7]

All right, the big story that's out there, and you just have to keep this in perspective, my friends. The big story that's out there is "forged documents" utilized by CBS' 60 Minutes Wednesday night in the fifth or sixth regurgitation of the George Bush National Guard story. CBS is standing by their story. Dan Rather was on CNN mere moments ago standing by the story solidly, but what's he going to do, say, "Yeah, I screwed up. Give me a mulligan"? Not likely. Probably the best summary of this story can be found at the American Spectator. (Anatomy of a Forgery) The only problem is their website is down. I guess they've been inundated with hits and their server system is either overloaded or they've got a tech problem. But that's okay, because I have here in my formerly nicotine-stained fingers (rustling paper) a copy of the story because it cleared at 12:09 this morning when I was diligently working at this story while watching ABC's special Thursday night edition of Monday Night Football, the New England Patriots again lucking out over the (laughing.) Just kidding, it was a great game. I'll tell you, is there any better illustration of how meaningless the preseason is, than last night's game? (news)

Anyway, the story from the Spectator, and stick with me on this; we're going to tie this all together with some analysis and commentary after the facts are presented to you. This story from the Prowler at the American Spectator: "More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Colonel Jerry Killian. The opposition researcher claimed the source was a 'retired military officer.' According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the Democrat National Committee as well as at the Kerry campaign. 'More than a couple people have heard about these papers,' says the DNC staffer. 'I've heard that they ended up at the Kerry campaign for them to decide how to proceed and presumably the Kerry campaign handed the papers over to 60 Minutes which used them on Wednesday night, but I know this much: When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity.'" That's a quote from a DNC staffer.

So from the outset, somebody at the DNC is already in a CYA mode. Somebody there knows what went on; they passed them on to the Kerry campaign. The Kerry campaign is so excited they finally had something. See, I have a theory about this. I was just feverishly on the phone and on the Internet and the e-mail with people last night. We're running theories by each other, and you know, some people say, "Kerry couldn't be this stupid. This would be too stupid. What if it goes wrong? They wouldn't possibly do this!" That happened to be, by the way, the take of Nightline. Nightline did a whole thing last night, Ted Koppel and Chris Leheinous, and the whole purpose of which was to protect the Kerry campaign in this, and Chris Leheinous said last night, (doing impression) "Ba-da, ba-da, ba-da, Kerry wouldn't be stupid enough to do this. The risk is too great at getting caught. What if it backfired?" Whoa! It didn't stop them blaming Nixon for Watergate, did it? Nixon was stupid he was up in the polls, he took the risk, but Kerry is too smart. Kerry wouldn't possibly. No, it has to be Rove. "Rove is an excellent forger." Rove set them up! I hope they run with that.

I hope somebody at the Kerry campaign or the DNC actually starts whining and says (crying), "Karl Rove..." (crying) Yeah, if you knew they were forgeries before you gave them to the Kerry campaign, if you knew that at the DNC, and if you suspected that Rove was behind it? I mean, I love this. They're in a bind. There's no way out of this. They've got forged documents; they passed them to 60 minutes. Their best defense is to say that Karl Rove set them up? (Laughing.) That's it? Anyway, "The concerns at the DNC about the forged documents arose from the sourcing. 'It wasn't clear,'" this is DNC spokesman again, talking to the American Spectator. "'It wasn't clear that our source for the documents would have had access to them. Our person couldn't confirm from what file, from what original source they came from.' The documents that CBS News used were not documents from any of Bush's personnel files from his time in the National Guard. That's why the military couldn't release them," and that's why the White House couldn't release them, because they were not part of the Bush's personnel files. They were personal files from Colonel Killian at his home, is the way the story goes.

This would explain why the White House nor the Pentagon had never before released or even seen them because they were never in their position according to the story. Now, "According to a Kerry campaign source there was little gossip about the supposedly hot documents inside the office of the campaign on MacPherson Square. The staffer, Kerry campaign staffer said, 'Those documents were not something anybody was talking about or trying to generate buzz on. It wasn't like there were small groups of people talking about this as a bombshell. I think people here weren't sure what to make of it because provenance of these documents was uncertain.'" Now, CBS producer who initially tipped off the American Spectator about the 60 Minutes story says that "despite seeking professional assurances that the documents were legit, there was uncertainty even among the group of producers and researchers working on the story." This is a source from CBS saying that even CBS wasn't sure of this, but they still the hell ran with it. They weren't sure of it.

The source at CBS, the producer, said, "'The problem was that we had one set of documents from Bush's file that had Killian calling Bush an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot, and someone who Killian said performed in an outstanding manner. Then you have these new documents and the tone and content are so different.' The CBS producer said that some alarm bells went off last week when the signatures and the initials of Killian on the documents in hand did not match up with other documents available in a public record, but CBS producers chose to move ahead with the story anyway." They are not "victims" in this. This is a little editorial comment of mine. I don't know how all this is going to shake out and I don't know where it's going to end up, but CBS, obviously a lot of people are going to try to find out who did this, and blame it all on them. But the fact is, CBS had doubts and ran with the story anyway. They wanted this story to be true. CBS has been shilling for the Kerry campaign all spring, all winter and spring. It's been CBS that gave us four versions of Bush, anti-Bush stories on 60 Minutes.

It has been CBS publishing anti-Bush books with their Viacom publishing arm, whatever that is. Knopf. It has been 60 Minutes that has been in the tank of the TV networks. 60 Minutes most in the tank for John Kerry. They wanted this story to be true. This Ben Barnes guy -- and I'll get into this in greater detail; I've got to take a break here pretty soon. This Ben Barnes guy that Rather interviewed last night. There are two things here. There are actually three components to this story yesterday, which I will explain in due course. But this Ben Barnes guy that Rather interviewed happens to be a huge Democratic Party leader in the county where Rather's daughter is also a ranking Democrat. This happens to be the county that Rather's daughter asked him to go do a fund-raiser in and for. Remember this some years ago?

And Ben Barnes was the head honcho at the time when Rather goes down there to do this fund-raiser for his daughter, for the Democratic Party. This is nothing more than Jayson Blair at the New York Times. Talk about conflicts? They're all over the place! So Rather has to know when he's talking to Ben Barnes last night who Ben Barnes is and what Ben Barnes' perhaps motivations are. So for CBS to try to place themselves or pass themselves off as a victim in all this isn't going to wash. They may have been victimized, and I think they have been, and I think it's the Democrats and the Kerry campaign that have done it, but again more on that in due course, but they don't get any pass from me on this because they wanted this story to be true. They looked at both sides of the evidence. Some said "forgery," but they were overwhelmed with the possibility it might be true, and they were unable to restrain themselves.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

The producer, CBS producer quoted -- well, not quoted; well, yeah, referenced and sourced -- in the American Spectator today, says that, "There is growing concern inside the building on 57th Street that they may have been suckered by the Kerry campaign." This is a quote from the CBS producer, "There is a school of thought here that the Kerry people dumped this in our laps, figuring we'd do the heavy lifting on the story. That maybe they had doubts about these documents but hoped we'd get more information. If that's the case, then we're bigger fools than we already appear to be judging by all the chatter about how these documents could be forgeries." There was a huge powwow at Black Rock at five o'clock yesterday afternoon, an emergency room meeting where they pledged an internal investigation. "ABC News' political unit held a conference call at 7:00 p.m. Thursday evening to discuss the memo and its potential ramifications should the documents turn out to be a forgery. That meeting took place around the time that the deceased Killian's son made public statements questioning the documents' authenticity. According to one ABC News employee, some reporters believe that the Kerry campaign as well as the DNC were parties in duping CBS, but a smaller segment believe that both the DNC and the Kerry campaign were duped by Karl Rove, who would have engineered the flap to embarrass the opposition." Here's Dan Rather on the street in New York. It was on CNN about a half hour ago, and he is defending his story.

CBS NEWSMAN / DEMOCRAT FUND-RAISER DAN RATHER: I know that this story is true. I believe the witnesses and the documents are authentic. We wouldn't have gone to air had they not been. There isn't going to be -- there's no, what did you say, an apology?

VOICE: Apology or any kind of retraction?

RATHER: Not even discussed, nor should it be. I want to make clear to you, I want to make clear to you if I have not made clear to you, that this story is true, and that more important questions than how we got the story, which is where those who don't like the story would like the emphasis, more important question is, what are the answers to the questions raised in the story.

RUSH: So Rather is out there trying to -- what else is he going to do? What is he going to do? He's out there saying, "Why won't Bush answer the questions in the story?" Meanwhile, here's Rather on the street of New York about a half hour ago making the statement you just heard. Terry McAuliffe was on the ABC Radio news network at the top of the hour claiming that this is a Republican setup. So you've got McAuliffe already conceding, it appears, that the documents are fakes, that they're forgeries. Rather, at the same time, is defending his story and his documents. At about the same time, a little bit earlier than that on the Fox News Channel, good old Pat Caddell, Jimmy Carter's pollster is out trying to save his party. Here's a quote. "I don't understand how they got involved in this," meaning his party. "They're so involved in this, they've gotten themselves so involved in this issue the last 24 hours, that somebody's going to, if these documents are not authentic, they're going to be blamed for it, the Democrats are. It's incredible to me that they've gotten in this." And Jane Skinner says, "We don't know yet what's going on."

Caddell says, "I'm trying to save my party by telling the truth here. If these people in my party are involved in this, it's over. The race is over and we've got bigger problems than that." Now, they had just finished at Fox discussing how Kerry is so far down in the polls, and Caddell says he's been there. He's seen that. He knows what this means. He can't believe they got involved in this story. Now, folks, if it turns out -- and it appears this is going to be the case -- if it turns out that the Texas Air National Guard documents used by 60 Minutes are indeed forgeries, what we have here is a huge blow to the partisan media. It will be huge, because it will demonstrate just how in the tank they are and how out of touch they are, and how untrust -- where will be the investigation? How many more Jayson Blairs and Janet Cookes do we need? How many more CNN, Peter Arnett, phony stories about nerve gas in Vietnam do we need? Where is the investigation into how the press is doing its job?

You know what we need? If CBS is going to coordinate dirty tricks with the Democrat National Committee and the Kerry campaign, we need a single coordinator to make sure these mistakes don't happen and they get it done right, just like we're searching here to find a central intelligence czar for the United States to protect us against terrorism. It's time that the mainstream press get together with their dirty tricks operators at the Democrat National Committee and come up with one guy to make sure this kind of mistake does not happen again, because their credibility is at greater risk than ever. What we have here, in my estimation, is the shattering of a foundational building block. We know that there is an alliance between what we call the mainstream establishment, elitist partisan press, whatever, and the Democrat Party, and the liberal intelligentsia and establishment of this country. Now, what has happened here, if these documents are indeed forgeries, what has happened here is that CBS's own friends have set them up.

CBS's own friends have used them. The Democrats, the Kerry campaign, have used CBS, have used Dan Rather in an effort to smear George W. Bush with lies, with forgeries. The question is: Who did this? And if they want to try to make the case that Karl Rove set 'em up, do so. If they are stupid enough to be set up this way by Karl Rove, then they are telling us at the same time, we can't trust them to deal with even our friends that are allies around the world, much less our enemies. If Karl Rove can set them up this way, that means, folks, they know they have no foundation of positive issue, stories, whatever, to run their campaign on. They've got nothing but this kind of dirty trick: forged documents, trying to pass it off on Karl Rove? You know this is the kind of -- and Pat Caddell is right. But it's not just his party that is at risk here, but it is the ongoing reputation of the press. You know, they're not watching but they are losing. They're losing respect. They are losing credibility. They are losing audience. They are losing impact. They are losing influence, and it is precisely -- you know who caught these? The blogosphere! The Internet caught these guys. The Internet caught CBS. Their days are over, and if they don't start realizing this and understand that the customer does come first, they're soon to be nonexistent.
 

[SheLion]

I tried to vote, and the little box popped up......Server Not Found. heh!

[HitmanLV]

Another thing, NBC Nightly News just ran an expert that said outright that the documents are most likely forgeries. So increasingly, mainstream media is reaching the consensus that the documents (and naturally teh allegations therein) are not legitimate.

Allegations contained in a forged document don't carry much credibility at all. The only way they would get credibiity is through corroboration by other (legitimate) sources - testimony, documentary evidence, etc. That evidence hasn't surfaced.

You are way off base: there are many more questions for Rather & CBS to deal with, by any standard. Any comments by the admin would distract from that - even the MSM is discrediting the allegations as we write this.

[JustAnotherSavage]

Try again, we're changing the numbers. I hate to give CNN any play, but if we don't their dolt viewers will believe they are part of the majority!



There are two polls on the subject on CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Should Dan Rather and CBS News reveal the sources of the Bush memos?

Yes 35% 282 votes

No 65% 519 votes

Total: 801 votes

AND
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/wolf.blitzer.reports/

Do you think the recently released memos on President Bush's National Guard service are authentic?

Yes 52% 65829 votes

No 48% 61920 votes

Total: 127749 votes

[SheLion]

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Well, shoot. :(

[prognostigaator]

^^^^ TH

[AMDG&BVMH]

you got it

[mbennett203]

"You can guess what I am going to say."

How about, "see you in hell, you miserable commie turncoat bastard." :D

[sweetliberty]

"Kerry wouldn't be stupid enough to do this. The risk is too great at getting caught. What if it backfired?"

Well, the same could be said for making his 4 month Vietnam record the center of his campaign. Surely he didn't believe that all those people who knew the REAL John Kerry in Vietnam were just going to sit idly by while he was publicly puffing and preening about being an American hero....never mind the fact that he came back from Vietnam and betrayed those who were still there.

[lonestar]

I can't wait to watch 60 Minutes Sunday night to learn what is NOT happening!

[nomad]

There was a post where the suggestion was made that from now on we start referring to the lamestream media as the Media wing of the Democratic Party. This article proves that is more than right on the money.

[writer33]

How the hey is this even close? Freakin' liberals. That's probably how.

[writer33]

It should be on his website: http://www.hannity.com He's also unveiling all of this on Hannity & Colmes tonight. Sorry for the late response.

[Arizona Carolyn]

I heard this on the air today; but reading this I had a thought that floated into my brain part of this outright glee must be CBS's version of payback for the SuperBowl/Janet Jackson fiasco and the half mill in fines levied against them.

[texasflower]

I know you guys love Rush, but I have never been able to get through one of these long drawn out transcripts.

I don't suppose there is a cliffnotes version of Rush is there?

[William Tell]

Tuttle said: President Bush must do this now viz, dismiss these accusations absolutely because the "fakeness" of the documents will never be settled satisfactorily.

I don't think that is true. I think that there are specific letter sequences with spacings that cannot be created by any typewriter that existed in 1973. Once this is common knowledge, why should Bush respond to allegations backed up by forged documents? Is he obligated to answer any false charge that the forgers care to concoct?

Perhaps you think that Bush should just go through the United States Code and specifically deny having violated each specific federal law?

[longtermmemmory]

Rather HAS to be firm on the story.

If he admits they were duped by a forged government document, they LOOSE FIRST AMENDMENT PROTECTION. There is no first amendment protection for lies.

(CBS apparently has been caught before using forged documents and HAD TO PAY OUT MONEY when sued)

If the proven forgery is admitted by CBS, then a subpoena could not be objected to based on the first amendment. There is no first amendment protection for lies even by the strictest standard of the law. CBS would be forced to reveal the source as Kamp Kerry and Kamp Kerry would be forced to reveal the source as the DNC.

Such a dominoe chain has the potential of COLLAPSING THIER CFR REQUIRED NON-COORDIANTION RULES.

Rather is the first line of defense of a line of domines straight back to the DNC.


Does Rather have to admit the document as false? NO! it will just take time, more time than 50+ days. It then becomes an issue of showing what they knew and what they OBVIOUSLY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. CBS can't, under the law, ingnore the obvious.

Stick a fork in Rather, he is done.

[Christian4Bush]

Guiding Light, Doctor of Democracy, half his brain tied behind his back, JUST to make it far, with "talent...on loan...from...God------d" BUMP!!!

[Christian4Bush]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

that is classic! Milk Carton BUMP!!!

Speaking of the Frenchurian Candidate, listening to his debate with John O'Neill in 1971...does anyone else notice that he was just as pompous and arrogant as he is today?

[Palladin]

Good one!

Kerry can thank Dan Rather and CBS for his demise.

[bert]

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