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CNN Now Questioning Authenticity of Bush Documents (Authenticity of Bush Guard memos questioned)
CNN.com ^ | 9/10/04 | special report

Posted on 09/10/2004 8:36:31 AM PDT by Rebelbase

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly unearthed memos which asserted that George W. Bush ignored an order from a superior officer in the Texas Air National Guard and lost his status as a pilot because he failed to meet military performance standards and undergo a required physical exam. CBS, which reported on the memos on its "60 Minutes" program, said its experts who examined the documents concluded that they were authentic. They ostensibly were written by Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, one of Bush's commanders in 1972 and 1973. But Killian's son, one of Killian's fellow officers and an independent document examiner questioned the memos. Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father and retired as a captain in 1991, said he doubted his father would have written an unsigned memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's performance review. "It just wouldn't happen," he said. "No officer in his right mind would write a memo like that." The personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time also said he believes the documents are fake. "They looked to me like forgeries," said Rufus Martin. "I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years." Killian died in 1984.

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To: Cboldt
The forensic evidence is real strong though. The personal testimony is icing on the cake, but on its own wouldn't be enough.

I completely agree and offer the observation that every MSM story I have seen so far starts with the personal testimony and burries the fact that the "memos" were written on a word processor at the end.

This maximizes the chances that the average Joe will read the intro and say "all they have is doubts by the guys widow and son". No bias here--move along now.

41 posted on 09/10/2004 8:57:49 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Rebelbase

From the article: "The Defense Department released Bush's pilot logs this week under pressure from a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Associated Press."


So will CBS blame the WH/Defense Department blame the Bush adm. for 'altering' the logs? I did not see 60 Minutes; did Dan Rather say exactly WHO had gotten the logs to CBS?


42 posted on 09/10/2004 8:57:57 AM PDT by Maria S ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton, 6/28/04)
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To: Rebelbase

I smell the Clinton's


43 posted on 09/10/2004 8:59:02 AM PDT by redangus
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To: Maria S
So will CBS blame the WH/Defense Department blame the Bush adm. for 'altering' the logs?

The DEM talking heads have been trying to conflate the documents obtained under the FOIA with the forgeries that "came from private files."

44 posted on 09/10/2004 9:00:05 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: snarkytart
Love your nameLOL it just rolls off the tongue. I just cannot believe how stupids these supposedly smart people are being.geeeeesh
45 posted on 09/10/2004 9:00:11 AM PDT by suzyq5558 (Sayyyyyy....isn't disingenuous dissembler just a fancy way of saying your a LIAR???)
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To: Rebelbase

Always remember: Flush twice, CNN is a long way away.


46 posted on 09/10/2004 9:00:47 AM PDT by Gator113
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To: suzyq5558

when i was a kid in the '50's there was a program about communist propaganda called the "Big Lie." The bigger the whopper, the easier it is for weak-minded people to believe it's true.

The democrats are just talking to their base.


47 posted on 09/10/2004 9:01:15 AM PDT by Paraclete
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To: falcon1966

CBS: Where did you obtain these documents? The public deserves to know.


48 posted on 09/10/2004 9:03:16 AM PDT by falcon1966
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To: Rebelbase

But it's amazing that while it's nice to have this Killian son on board, the CLINCHER is the typewritten evidence of the RETIRED GENERAL. But they don't want to do actual homework, and they keep it in a "he said, he said" by just featuring this guy's comments. Disgusting.


49 posted on 09/10/2004 9:03:16 AM PDT by LS
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To: Rebelbase
But, but, BUT.... Unlike ABC's Notes and many other articles, CNN does NOT make any references to the breaking of this story by Free Republic. CNN would have its computers and cameras catch fire, if it credited either Free Republic or Fox News as breaking a story.

MSNBC has just done an advance notice of a story on the possible document forgeries. They haven't gotten to it as I post this. Will be interesting to see if they credit Free Republic.

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50 posted on 09/10/2004 9:03:47 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: Rebelbase
Photo: courtesy of CBS Late Show.

51 posted on 09/10/2004 9:05:30 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: Rebelbase

When was the phrase "sugar coated" coined?
Is there an etimology site for reference?


52 posted on 09/10/2004 9:06:35 AM PDT by DadOfFive (Better put some ice on that!)
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To: Rebelbase
"Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father and retired as a captain in 1991"

O3 after twenty years? Hmmmm, is that normal?

53 posted on 09/10/2004 9:08:48 AM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: DadOfFive

Doh...Answered my own question. It's valid.

sugar - c.1325, from O.Fr. sucre "sugar," from M.L. succarum, from Ar. sukkar, from Pers. shakar, from Skt. sharkara "ground or candied sugar," originally "grit, gravel." Its Old World home was India (Alexander the Great's companions marveled at the "honey without bees") and it remained exotic in Europe until the Arabs began to cultivate it in Sicily and Spain; not until after the Crusades did it begin to rival honey as the West's sweetener. The Spaniards in the West Indies began raising sugar cane in 1506; first grown in Cuba 1523; first cultivated in Brazil 1532. The -g- in the Eng. form cannot be accounted for. The pronunciation shift from s- to sh- is probably from the initial long vowel sound syu- (as in sure). Slang "euphemistic substitute for an imprecation" [O.E.D.] is attested from 1891. As a term of endearment, first recorded 1930. Sugar maple is from 1753; sugar-plum is from 1608; sugar-daddy first recorded 1926. Sugar coat (v.) "make more palatable" is from 1870.


54 posted on 09/10/2004 9:11:42 AM PDT by DadOfFive (Better put some ice on that!)
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To: Paraclete

Well thank goodness most of us are not weak-minded!! I sure hope the public is waking up from the brainwashing!


55 posted on 09/10/2004 9:16:48 AM PDT by suzyq5558 (Sayyyyyy....isn't disingenuous dissembler just a fancy way of saying your a LIAR???)
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To: suzyq5558

Kerry's political carrer is dead. He just hasn't fallen down yet.


56 posted on 09/10/2004 9:17:58 AM PDT by scooter2
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To: Rebelbase
Americans do not pay attention to news on the weekend that's why CNN buried this last night.

If this story survives until Monday then it will grow legs.


BUMP

57 posted on 09/10/2004 9:23:06 AM PDT by tm22721 (In fac they)
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To: redangus

And that is QUITE a smell isn't. Those people deserve the emnity of every US citizen.


58 posted on 09/10/2004 9:26:08 AM PDT by rootntootn (Kerry lied, millions died)
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To: cyncooper

Are you listening to Rush on this?

Rather was interviewed a half hour ago and stands by his reporting and says he KNOWS the story is true. LOL

Rush is also reading from the American Spectator that the docs reached the DNC 6 weeks ago and were given to the Kerry camp who gave them to CBS.

Barnes is a huge fund raiser for the DNC and it is he who brought Rather to a DNC fund raiser years ago that created such a stir.


59 posted on 09/10/2004 9:28:48 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: scooter2

After listening to 10 minutes of Rush ,yeah Kerry is so out of here. and then i read the transcdript of Pat Caddel poor fellow,he even says that his party is involved up to thier eyeballs.
This is going to be messy on its way down. and all morning ive had to hear mcidiot saying that whats in doc's are not the point ,the point is that Bush lied,Bush lied. well excuse me whats in the doc's are the point! you babbling idiot terry.most important if they are forgeries. GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH this guy is such a fooooool.


60 posted on 09/10/2004 9:38:56 AM PDT by suzyq5558 (Sayyyyyy....isn't disingenuous dissembler just a fancy way of saying your a LIAR???)
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