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More Problems Surface With '60 Minutes' Documents
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 9/10/04 | Robert B. Bluey

Posted on 09/10/2004 6:51:55 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: Made in USA

"Embrace the Meltdown"

LOLOLOL!


101 posted on 09/10/2004 8:36:34 AM PDT by Veto! (Kerry wears a tutu, TeRAYza wears the pants)
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To: Catphish

Funny you should ask.
DU provided a very nice debunking of their debunking in easy to read format, which I promptly copied and pasted over here to save us all time. Aren't they grand?
1-- proportional spacing not generally available
2 -- superscripts not generally available
3 - small "th" single element not generally available
4 - Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5-The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name.
7--Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters, or in form as 110471.
9 - words run over consistent with word processor
10 - may be a Times Roman or similar font not generally available then (per Haas Atlas)
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors and whiteout
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
15 - Paper size problem, Air Force and Guard did not use 8 1/2 x 11 inch paper until the 1980s.
16 - Overlap analysis is an exact match
17 - absence of hyphens to split words between lines, c/w 1970's typewriter.
18 - 5000 Longmont #8 in Houston Tx. does not exist
19 - Box 34567 is suspicious, at best. The current use of the po box 34567 is Ashland Chemical Company, A Division of Ashland Oil, Incorporated P. O. Box 34567 Houston
20 - it would have been nearly impossible to center a letterhead with proportional spacing without a computer.
21 - Bush's grade would "normally" be abbreviated "1Lt" not "1st Lt"
22 - Subject matter bizarre
23 - Air Force did not use street addresses for their offices, rather HQ AFLC/CC, Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433.
24 - kerning was not available
25 - In the August 18, 1973 memo, Jerry Killian purportedly writes: "Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job." but General Staudt, who thought very highly of Lt. Bush, retired in 1972.
26 - Language not generally used by military
27 - Not signed or initialed
28 - Not in any format that a military person would use, e.g. orders not given by Memo.




102 posted on 09/10/2004 8:39:13 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: JesseJane

The American Spectator.
Article on their site this morning.


103 posted on 09/10/2004 8:41:40 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: no dems

Big Time.
Fox News running this as breaking news, and now they have the Kerry Documentary producer running up against those breaks (he's the guy doing Stolen Valor).

Nice linking.


104 posted on 09/10/2004 8:44:31 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: chris1; jmstein7

A magnificent attorney.
He may also know of other attorneys re: your lawsuit.


105 posted on 09/10/2004 8:52:33 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: mabelkitty

I am not saying I am 100% going to do it, but I think if we get enough Freeper lawyers together, we can make a formiddable team!


106 posted on 09/10/2004 8:56:39 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Made in USA
The fat lady is singing

The fat lady can't sing 'til she gets done laughin'. Might be a couple of days yet. LOL

107 posted on 09/10/2004 9:06:38 AM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: ctdonath2

May I suggest two corrections to your copy of the forgery.

1. In your paragraph 1, instead of using the number 1 in First Lt, use the letter l. This will result in the same spacing as the forgery.

2. In paragraph 2, insert a space between 147 and th.

Correct naming would be 147th (no space) but the forger appears to be trying to correct for MS Word's automatic superscript of st and th following the number 1 and 147 respectively. Note his paragraph three use of the space after 9921 and 147 to avoid superscript.

And what did you use to accomplish the overlay?


108 posted on 09/10/2004 9:26:39 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: Dog Gone; tomnbeverly; MamaLucci; chris1; xzins; handy; Andy'smom; kattracks; Swanks; ctdonath2; ...
Source of the CBS forgeries described here: "Anatomy of a Forgery"
109 posted on 09/10/2004 9:38:04 AM PDT by XHogPilot
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To: XHogPilot

Oh, that's just great. The Kerry campaign gave them to CBS. Perfect.


110 posted on 09/10/2004 9:42:08 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: XHogPilot

Thanks very much for the link XHP!!


111 posted on 09/10/2004 9:51:22 AM PDT by JesseJane
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To: chris1

I'm not a lawyer nor do play one on TV, but if you knowingly put out falsehoods, even on a public figure,
isn't that libel? Some celebs have won lawsuits against
tabloids.


112 posted on 09/10/2004 10:16:42 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the piece-DO NOT DISTURB Occupant is disturbed enough already)
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To: Rakkasan1

I think that if they forged what was at its origin an official document obtained through a FOIL request, and then subsequently forged and passed it off as an original, there is some serious charges to be made.

In the end, I just ask for one thing -

A GOP avalanche on election day. Forget about a landslide, I want to see a massive avalanche.


113 posted on 09/10/2004 10:20:55 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: XHogPilot

I'll see about updating the images.

Used PaintShopPro 7 to do the overlay.


114 posted on 09/10/2004 10:26:29 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: kattracks
111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron
P.O. Box 34567
Houston, Texas 77034

04 May 1972

MEMORANDUM FOR 1st Lt. George W. Bush, 5000 Longmont #8, Houston, Texas 77027


SUBJECT: Annual Physical Examination (Flight)

1. You are hereby ordered to report to commander, 111 F.I.S., Ellington AFB, not later that (NLT) 14 May, 1972 to conduct annual physical examination (flight) IAW AFM 35-13.

2. Report to 111th F.I.S. administration officer for schedule of appointmnet and additional instructions. Examination will be conducted in duty status.


J. Killian

JERRY B. KILLIAN
Lt. Colonel
Commander


This is what the original Faked memo as done by an IDIOT RAT probably looked like in #2 pencil

115 posted on 09/10/2004 12:02:57 PM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: kattracks

Hey CBS and all of you Old Media nutcases:

YOU're all FRAUDcasters.
/


116 posted on 09/10/2004 12:09:46 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: mabelkitty
The so-called Texans for Truth come to mind as the most likely perpetrators of this. Not led by Texans, but Hollywood, and having nothing to do with the Truth, this is the dirty-tricks department of Move.On, and may include some of Austin's Demorabble.
117 posted on 09/10/2004 12:26:10 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: IamConservative

"The only thing that can happen when you keep secret files like that are bad things. ... No officer in his right mind would write a memo like that."

Admiral Kimmel invented the "Pearl Harbor file" in 1941 - it did not serve him well. Everybody I ever served with learned from his example.


118 posted on 09/10/2004 6:20:15 PM PDT by dozer7 (Love many, trust few and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: ctdonath2; MamaLucci; claudiustg; Peach; Common Tator

Here at last it the overlay of one of the memos with a duplicate created on MS Word. I knew I'd seen it somewhere, and I believe on more than one thread...

Thanks, ct... I suspect you know by now that the first line is actually written lst (LST), not 1st (first), by the forger, and that accounts for some of the discrepancy on that line.
/


119 posted on 09/10/2004 10:17:37 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys

Thanks for the update! I see, to get over the automatic Word superscript.


120 posted on 09/10/2004 11:10:33 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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