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False Documentation? Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush's Guard Service
ABC News ^ | 9/9/04

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:45:34 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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George W. Bush sits in an F102 fighter jet while serving in the Texas Air National Guard in this undated photo. President Bush was in the National Guard from 1968-1973.
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False Documentation?
Questions Arise About Authenticity of Newly Found Memos on Bush's Guard Service
ABCNEWS.com

Sept. 9, 2004— Questions are being raised about the authenticity of newly discovered documents relating to George W. Bush's service in the National Guard during the Vietnam War.

Marjorie Connell — widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the reported author of memos suggesting that Bush did not meet the standards for the Texas Air National Guard — questioned whether the documents were real.

"The wording in these documents is very suspect to me," she told ABC News Radio in an exclusive phone interview from her Texas home. She added that she "just can't believe these are his words."

First reported by CBS's 60 Minutes, the memos allegedly were found in Killian's personal files. But his family members say they doubt he ever made such documents, let alone kept them.

Connell said Killian did not type, and though he did take notes, they were usually on scraps of paper. "He was a person who did not take copious notes," she said. "He carried everything in his mind."

Killian's son, Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father, also told ABC News Radio that he doubts his father wrote the documents. "It was not the nature of my father to keep private files like this, nor would it have been in his own interest to do so," he said.

"We don't know where the documents come from," he said, adding, "They didn't come from any family member."

Connell said her late husband would be "turning over in his grave to know that a document such as this would be used against a fellow guardsman," and she is "sick" and "angry" that his name is "being battled back and forth on television."

Her late husband was a fan of the young Bush, said Connell, who remarried after her husband died in 1984. "I know for a fact that this young man … was an excellent aviator, an excellent person to be in the Guard, and he was very happy to have him become a member of the 111th."

Experts Question Veracity

Questions are also being raised about the memos by document experts, who say they appear to have been written on a computer, not a typewriter. The memos are dated 1972 and 1973, when computers with word-processing software were not available.

More than half a dozen document experts contacted by ABC News said they had doubts about the memos' authenticity.

"These documents do not appear to have been the result of technology that was available in 1972 and 1973," said Bill Flynn, one of country's top authorities on document authentication. "The cumulative evidence that's available … indicates that these documents were produced on a computer, not a typewriter:"

Among the points Flynn and other experts noted:

   The memos were written using a proportional typeface, where letters take up variable space according to their size, rather than fixed-pitch typeface used on typewriters, where each letter is allotted the same space. Proportional typefaces are available only on computers or on very high-end typewriters that were unlikely to be used by the National Guard.
   The memos include superscript, i.e. the "th" in "187th" appears above the line in a smaller font. Superscript was not available on typewriters.
   The memos included "curly" apostrophes rather than straight apostrophes found on typewriters.
   The font used in the memos is Times Roman, which was in use for printing but not in typewriters. The Haas Atlas — the bible of fonts — does not list Times Roman as an available font for typewriters.
   The vertical spacing used in the memos, measured at 13 points, was not available in typewriters, and only became possible with the advent of computers.



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To: luvbach1
Check out Snakehead and the Forehead. The timing of their entry into the Kerry organization is uncanny.

LOL. You may be onto something. This has the earmarks of a Craig Livingston operation.

-PJ

81 posted on 09/09/2004 8:18:13 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: hole_n_one
CBSNEWS LAUNCHES INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AFTER SUSPICIOUS BUSH DOCS AIRED

They're scurrying. As shown in the WashPost article, one senior CBS person felt the need to spill a few beans for their own "CYA".

82 posted on 09/09/2004 8:21:48 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: hole_n_one

BTW, there's got to be a fear that the Feds are going to get involved. Falsifying documents is big, I would guess.


83 posted on 09/09/2004 8:23:31 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Azzurri

I don't care what anyone says or thinks about President Bush, the fact of the matter is that everyone knows it takes a hell of a lot of skill to fly one of those birds! Kerry didn't even know how to carry his gun properly!


84 posted on 09/09/2004 8:26:01 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: gov_bean_ counter

I can't believe that CBS was so anxious to discredit the President that they ran with this story without doing anything to check it out! This is pathetic and I hope they are all taken to the woodshed!


85 posted on 09/09/2004 8:32:45 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: rwfromkansas

Why do you think the first two are legit? Because the White House released them too? It is my understanding that CBS faxed them to the WH last night, and the WH went ahead and released them thinking they were real. Am I wrong about that?


86 posted on 09/09/2004 8:36:01 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: hispanarepublicana
Oh, what tangled webs they weave.....

Odd timing, just when Begala (a/k/a Forehead), and Carvile (a/k/a Serpent Head) get to the Kerry campaign. I wonder who the gumshoes are they brought with them? Apparently, not too professional.

And the meltdown continues...

5.56mm

87 posted on 09/09/2004 8:37:02 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: MistyCA; Howlin; Buckhead; All

There isn't the slightest possibility that the Bush camp set CBS up is there? (Knowing this would be a vulnerability which they'd latch on to and that astute folks would catch??) I'm just asking.... (and if so...kudos to them in my opinion)


88 posted on 09/09/2004 8:37:56 PM PDT by GummyIII (Good judgement comes from experience and experience--well, that comes from bad judgement.)
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To: RetSignman

Good idea since half of them weren't dated or signed (I exaggerate when I get anxious!).


89 posted on 09/09/2004 8:38:40 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: MistyCA

The first two are hosted at USA Today and are part of the enlistment records Bush released.

They are legit. No doubt about that.


90 posted on 09/09/2004 8:39:58 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Peach

I hope Jim writes it! And makes a ton of money! And flies over Michael Moore's house and drops gummy worms!


91 posted on 09/09/2004 8:41:01 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: MistyCA
...drops gummy worms!

HEY!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!

92 posted on 09/09/2004 8:42:06 PM PDT by GummyIII (Good judgement comes from experience and experience--well, that comes from bad judgement.)
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To: misterrob; hispanarepublicana

You beat me to it. She's definitely tuning up her voice.


93 posted on 09/09/2004 8:43:01 PM PDT by steveegg (John F'em Ke(rr)y - I was for the war in Iraq before I was against it before (too may flips to fit).)
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To: hispanarepublicana

If memory serves correct, I believe typewriter "type" was only 12 or 10 (pica and elite).


94 posted on 09/09/2004 8:46:15 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: hispanarepublicana
Many Democrats are worried that if they are found to be forgeries, it will be a setback for Sen. John Kerry's campaign to defeat Bush in November.

Gee ya think?

95 posted on 09/09/2004 8:47:17 PM PDT by Randjuke
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To: GummyIII
There isn't the slightest possibility that the Bush camp set CBS up is there?

"Set up" ?
No.

"Let them hang themselves with their own rope". ?
You betcha.

96 posted on 09/09/2004 8:47:35 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

It's very easy for CBS to authenticate their story. They need only to identify the type of typewriter that printed 13 point New Times Roman with a "th" superscript in '72.

Can't do that? Well, that's too bad ... now we ALL know that you're lying sycophants of the Kerry campaign.

Apologies are in order.

Speculators may want to short Viacom.


97 posted on 09/09/2004 8:52:36 PM PDT by RBroadfoot
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To: Howlin
I'm having trouble grasping the reality of it hitting so fast.......LOL.

Yeah, this is REALLY quick. New record. I think the old media is coming around to the fact that if it's ALL over the new media, they aren't going to keep it down, and they might as well come out with it.

Even more, I think they're anxious to deflect this disaster from Kerry. Who better to tag as the fall guy than one of your arch competitors - even if they are of like political mind.

98 posted on 09/09/2004 8:54:07 PM PDT by MCH
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To: XEHRpa

Oh, yeah, "margin bells" ... forgot about that!


99 posted on 09/09/2004 8:54:20 PM PDT by RBroadfoot
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To: piasa
Allow me to repeat such glorious words ... As the honorable judge and great American Sanders Sauls of Floriduh once said during the Gore War... "It's like being nibbled to death by ducks." Isn't it amusing how we simple Americans are force-fed the spittle of liberals, only to be warmed in cockles with a simple airing of scoundrels caught in their own fabrications? I mean, ain't it nice to see the lieberal lickspittlists get their comeupance?
100 posted on 09/09/2004 8:54:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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