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Link to IBM Proportional Typewriter in 1941. No Indication of Price Though
IBM Historical Files ^

Posted on 09/09/2004 6:21:33 PM PDT by Mean Daddy

IBM announces the Electromatic Model 04 electric typewriter, featuring the revolutionary concept of proportional spacing. By assigning varied rather than uniform spacing to different sized characters, the Type 4 recreated the appearance of a printed page, an effect that was further enhanced by a typewriter ribbon innovation that produced clearer, sharper words on the page. The proportional spacing feature became a staple of the IBM Executive series typewriters.


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1 posted on 09/09/2004 6:21:34 PM PDT by Mean Daddy
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To: Mean Daddy

Did the military in the 70's buy such high end machines? I highly doubt it.


2 posted on 09/09/2004 6:23:07 PM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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To: Mean Daddy
Did proportional type machines exist at the time these memos in question were supposedly written? Yes.

How great are the chances that they used such typewriters in the Texas Air National Guard? About the same as me dating Ann Coulter.
3 posted on 09/09/2004 6:23:35 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa ("Oxymoron" is an oxymoron. Oxys=Sharp, keen + Moros=foolish --> moron = oxymoron.)
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To: Mean Daddy

yes you are late to the party...I know there are millions of posts...

Posted by rolling_stone to All
On News/Activism 09/09/2004 12:19:48 PM PDT · 154 of 196


IBM announces the Electromatic Model 04 electric typewriter, featuring the revolutionary concept of proportional spacing. By assigning varied rather than uniform spacing to different sized characters, the Type 4 recreated the appearance of a printed page, an effect that was further enhanced by a typewriter ribbon innovation that produced clearer, sharper words on the page. The PROPORTIONAL SPACING feature became a staple of the IBM Executive series typewriters.

http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html


4 posted on 09/09/2004 6:23:45 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Mean Daddy

fakes


5 posted on 09/09/2004 6:23:56 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: Mean Daddy

Check the SIGNATURES


6 posted on 09/09/2004 6:23:56 PM PDT by marty60
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To: Mean Daddy

It does not have Super Scripts or produce text identical to a modern Word processer.


7 posted on 09/09/2004 6:24:35 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: marty60

there are NO signetures or initials from I hear


8 posted on 09/09/2004 6:24:58 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (((KERRY IS A NARCISSISTIC LIAR, GOLDBRICKER, AND TRAITOR!)))
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To: Mean Daddy

Do military memos from this machine come out with the precise formatting and character alignment (in every way possible) to documents created using the default parameters on MS Word and printed on laser printers invented years later?


9 posted on 09/09/2004 6:25:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Mean Daddy
Proportional spacing is the least of the problems with these documents. In an article on their website, the Weekly Standard points out that the apostrophes used are of the curlicue type common on word-processing software, not the slash type common on typewriters. Then you have to explain the signature differences, the smaller-font superscript, the incredible improbability of the exact same spacing and line breaks when recreating this document in word, and the oddity of a commander keeping files at his home in a way that would seriously threaten his career.
10 posted on 09/09/2004 6:25:51 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: Mean Daddy

Experts say the memo's are computer generated.


11 posted on 09/09/2004 6:26:45 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Mean Daddy

Proportional spacing is nothing new, of course. But it is suspicious that those proportions appear to match Microsoft Word New Times Roman identically down to typeface, leading, etc. so that overlayed, the typewriter and the Word document match perfectly. I don't think you'll find too many people who've worked with type who'll think that is a coincidence, but I could be wrong. Heck, there are subtle differences in the same typeface from the same foundary on different platforms (TrueType vs Postscript, for instance), but somehow an decades old typewriter matches Word pica for pica?


12 posted on 09/09/2004 6:26:47 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Mean Daddy
How much did they cost at the time? just curious.
What about the superscript and the particular font that is relatively new to M$ products?
13 posted on 09/09/2004 6:26:51 PM PDT by Brainhose (THINK OF THE KITTENS!)
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To: Mean Daddy

Did they self type memos from retired Generals a year later?

How much was that feature?


14 posted on 09/09/2004 6:27:00 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Mean Daddy

I'll comment.


I'll bet that unit used cogs and stepper motors to assign a width to each letter, but in crude increments of, say, 1, 2 or 3.

True Type technology assigns it down to the pixel.

Also, True Type will kern an i up under an f, or slide the bottom of a capital A under the top of a capital W.

No 1940s technology did that.

It's like the difference between cutting with a sharp ax and cutting with a sharp scalpel.


15 posted on 09/09/2004 6:27:40 PM PDT by Petronski (I'd like to volunteer to build a barn and take you press guys out behind it and kick your asses.)
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To: RogueIsland

For this typewriter to be able to have the *identical* font, the *identical* character spacing, the *identical* line spacing would be a miracle enough. But even WITH all of those things, the old electric typewriters, even the nicer Selectrics and Ball based models were NOT 100% consistent with their spacing on every line.

The level of precision in the mechanical feeds was RADICALLY DIFFERENT than computers and printers of today. Even an old 180dpi printer had to have FAR MORE precise mechanicals just to keep the dots aligned than the old mechanical typewriters.


17 posted on 09/09/2004 6:29:20 PM PDT by woodb01 (Start a call, writing, fax, and e-mail campaign to discourage CBS advertisers~)
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To: Keith in Iowa
same as me dating Ann Coulter

Doing my Freeper Duty


18 posted on 09/09/2004 6:29:34 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Remember: Benedict Arnold was a "war hero," too.)
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To: GrandmaPatriot
Did the military in the 70's buy such high end machines? I highly doubt it.

I seriously doubt it too, in a non-executive environment. I worked for IBM repairing typewriters in the mid 60s. The Mod 4 Executive typewriter was considerably more expensive than the standard, non propotional machine.

Using the machine properly required specialized training beyond normal typing courses.

Additionally, the machine was quite tempormental and did not lend itself to working well in dusty, dirty environments. It needed regular, specific maintenance to keep working porperly.

19 posted on 09/09/2004 6:29:35 PM PDT by Vermonter
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider

One is signed the other isn't. The comparison between the Known signature and the fake is very interesting. But, now that we know that the Gen mention in the memo retired a year before the fake memo was supposedly written. CASE CLOSED


20 posted on 09/09/2004 6:30:36 PM PDT by marty60
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