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60 Minutes docs on Bush may be fake (UPI)
The Washington Times ^ | Sept 9, 2004

Posted on 09/09/2004 5:58:04 PM PDT by 11th_VA

Washington, DC, Sep. 9 (UPI) -- The Cybercast News Service reported Thursday documents casting doubt on the U.S. president's national guard service might be fakes.

CNS, an Internet-based news organization affiliated with a conservative media watchdog group, said the 32-year-old documents used by CBS to cast "a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program."

The news organization said three independent typography tests indicated "they were suspicious of the documents" because they used a modern Microsoft Word font feature that was not available in 1972 or 1973.

The documents were featured Wednesday on "60 Minutes II" and allegedly came from the personal files of former Bush squadron Cmdr. Jerry B. Killian, now dead.

CBS will not say how it obtained them. John Collins, the chief technology officer of Bitstream, Inc., cited the use of a superscript "th" in one document as a reason to be suspicious. "That would not be possible on a typewriter or even a word processor at that time," Collins said. "It is a very surprising thing to see a letter with that date (May 4, 1972) on it.

There's no question that that is surprising. Does that force you to conclude that it's a fake? No. But it certainly raises the eyebrows."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bush2004; kerrylies; killian; rathergate; tang
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To: tonmo

21 posted on 09/09/2004 6:06:14 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: Happygal

Was an inspired moment! :-D


22 posted on 09/09/2004 6:06:15 PM PDT by tonmo
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To: rocklobster11

You are good...lol.


23 posted on 09/09/2004 6:09:42 PM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (Shut up and sing. I don't care what you think.)
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To: 11th_VA
That's a codfish. I don't have to google it either.
24 posted on 09/09/2004 6:13:26 PM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: counterpunch
There needs to be an investigation into where CBS obtained these forgeries.

I was at a Dem Delegate's today to fix a computer. She said the Doc's came from Texas Veterans for Truth. I never heard of them.

She said they are a group to counter the swiftvets.

BTW, she went into meltdown mode when I told her the doc's are forgeries.

25 posted on 09/09/2004 6:14:09 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: flevit
The pulled AP story stated:

Independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines said the memos looked like they had been produced on a computer using Microsoft Word software, not widely available when the documents were supposedly written in 1972 and 1973.

"Not widely available"? Bill Gates hadn't even founded Microsoft in 1972. The first versions of Word for DOS didn't come out until the 1980s.

26 posted on 09/09/2004 6:14:20 PM PDT by John Thornton
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To: flevit

A Fox producer was able to produce a document that was identical to the CBS doc using one of the current word processing programs.


27 posted on 09/09/2004 6:14:57 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: flevit
I am currious on how a Known killian AUTHENTIC document would match up to a "word" processing reproduction.

Probably deserves it own link:

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000563.html

28 posted on 09/09/2004 6:15:29 PM PDT by 11th_VA (While Kerry lied, good men died ...)
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To: tonmo

There is absolutely no doubt that the document shown is a fake. It was created using a modern PROPORTIONAL SPACED font which, to my information, did not exist at that time on ANY typewriter.

In addition, I can recall NO typewriter that had superscript capability.

This is criminal and those perpetuating this info should be sued for libel which can be done because it is WITH MALICIOUS INTENT AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE FALSETY OF THE ALLEGATIONS.


29 posted on 09/09/2004 6:15:37 PM PDT by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: flevit
Yes! here.
30 posted on 09/09/2004 6:15:47 PM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: SeeRushToldU_So

Somebody please tell Geraldine Ferraro and Alan Colmes to SHUT UP. What a mess listening to these 4 people on Hannity & Colmes. Thank God SHE lost when SHE ran for Vice President. Hey, now there's a winning duo. Geraldine Ferraro & Hillary Clinton. OOOOOOOOOH NOOOOOOO!


31 posted on 09/09/2004 6:16:58 PM PDT by Max7 (.)
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To: flevit
hopefully showing an authentic document DOES NOT match to a word document.

See post # 28

32 posted on 09/09/2004 6:17:07 PM PDT by 11th_VA (While Kerry lied, good men died ...)
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To: 11th_VA

33 posted on 09/09/2004 6:18:03 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: SeeRushToldU_So

Not just good, YOU'RE GREEEAAAT!!


34 posted on 09/09/2004 6:18:07 PM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota
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To: tonmo

My dad served in the Air Force Reserve and we still have his papers.

I don't ever recall seeing a letter w/o an Air Force letterhead and I never have seen a unit with a PO Box as its address.

At the very minimum, this looks suspicious to me.


35 posted on 09/09/2004 6:18:09 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: tirednvirginia

The libs slung a dumptruck full of mud yesterday. By this afternoon, the streets are clean and the only thing with mud still on it are the Democrats and their MSM mouthpieces.


37 posted on 09/09/2004 6:18:59 PM PDT by meyer
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To: Max7

CBS News in Los Angeles still broadcasting their lying story about the documents & Bush. Liars. They have no integrity. You think they'll try anything to defeat Bush? You think?


38 posted on 09/09/2004 6:19:06 PM PDT by Max7 (.)
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To: rocklobster11
Not only is it a proportional font with superscript, the type is also kerned. That's gotta be one clairvoyant typewriter to know what letter is coming next!
39 posted on 09/09/2004 6:20:05 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: 11th_VA
And now the wire services begin to report the story, it now gains a life of its own...
40 posted on 09/09/2004 6:20:19 PM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.©)
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