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60 Minutes docs on Bush may be fake (UPI)
The Washington Times ^ | Sept 9, 2004

Posted on 09/09/2004 5:58:04 PM PDT by 11th_VA

Washington, DC, Sep. 9 (UPI) -- The Cybercast News Service reported Thursday documents casting doubt on the U.S. president's national guard service might be fakes.

CNS, an Internet-based news organization affiliated with a conservative media watchdog group, said the 32-year-old documents used by CBS to cast "a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program."

The news organization said three independent typography tests indicated "they were suspicious of the documents" because they used a modern Microsoft Word font feature that was not available in 1972 or 1973.

The documents were featured Wednesday on "60 Minutes II" and allegedly came from the personal files of former Bush squadron Cmdr. Jerry B. Killian, now dead.

CBS will not say how it obtained them. John Collins, the chief technology officer of Bitstream, Inc., cited the use of a superscript "th" in one document as a reason to be suspicious. "That would not be possible on a typewriter or even a word processor at that time," Collins said. "It is a very surprising thing to see a letter with that date (May 4, 1972) on it.

There's no question that that is surprising. Does that force you to conclude that it's a fake? No. But it certainly raises the eyebrows."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bush2004; kerrylies; killian; rathergate; tang
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To: Fledermaus

Furthermore, looking at the memo, others have noted that the wordwrap of a manual typewriter is different than a word processor.

But to analyze this facet more specifically, MSWORD wraps the current word when the end of a word passes the right margin, whereas a person typing manually finishes the word he is typing when the right-margin bell rings, and then does a carriage return. The net effect of the manual typewritten style is that, if one draws a vertical line at the bell-margin, that line should go through (intersect) the last word of every line of text.

Clearly, from the 1 AUG 1972 memo, NO SUCH VERTICAL LINE CAN BE CONSTRUCTED THAT INTERSECTS THE LAST WORD OF EVERY WRAPPED LINE OF TEXT!

For example, in paragraph 3, on a typewriter, we have to assume the right-margin bell rang while typing the word "and" on the 1st line. Yet, if that was the case, then on paragraph 2, the margin bell would have rang while typing the word "orders", and the subsequent word "for" should have appeared on the next, not the same, line.


121 posted on 09/09/2004 7:28:07 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: counterpunch
Can you explain this conspiracy theory to me?

Remember the billing records that disappeared and then reappeared in Hillary's room at the White House a year or two later?

It took them that long to get expert forgeries to replace the originals.

But they can access much better forgers than did this sloppy work. So, if they were involved, it was deliberately done to expose itself as a forgery.

Personally, I think the authors may be the same guys that made up the news release about some organization of historians analyzing the IQ's of Presidents and listing all the Dems on top and all the Reps on the bottom with GWB having a 93 IQ.

They wanted to see how fast the biased media would snap it up and report it as fact without checking.

This could be a lark done by some guys who are repeating the same trick to expose media bias. The forgery is so bad that that is the most likely explanation.

Now the only way CBS can defend its honor is to say that these are computer typed copies of the original, that they have seen the originals and the originals have been vetted.

But then they'll have to release the originals or be laughed off the planet.

Either way, it is going to be a field day tomorrow.

122 posted on 09/09/2004 7:28:08 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: 11th_VA
The documents were featured Wednesday on "60 Minutes II" and allegedly came from the personal files of former Bush squadron Cmdr. Jerry B. Killian, now dead.

Well, at least we know who Jerry Killian will be voting for this election...

123 posted on 09/09/2004 7:30:55 PM PDT by NewLand (John Kerry; you may begin writing your concession speech now!)
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To: XEHRpa

Can you make a living knowing this stuff?


124 posted on 09/09/2004 7:32:10 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

Elementary, my dear Lucky.


125 posted on 09/09/2004 7:38:00 PM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: XEHRpa
RATHERLIES
126 posted on 09/09/2004 7:38:31 PM PDT by timestax
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To: tomnbeverly
Can't they find the secretary that typed the letter? Or anyone that worked in the office to verify what kind of equipment they used?

In 1972 I was a secretary and the only "word processing" equipment we used was called a MagCard and I believe IBM made it. It was a very complicated system and we used in only for mass mailing stuff.

Our office used the IBM electric Selectric typewriters. They had an interchangeable "ball" that would allow you to change fonts, but only two or three "styles".

Also, in 1972 most correspondence was done so that copies used carbon paper with a tissue type paper for the file. Copy machines really didn't come into the office until the mid-seventies. I don't even think "White Out" was invented then. You had to use an eraser to make a change on the original as well as the copy or just backspace and type over it.

I hope that with modern technology they can determine if the documents are true or not. In any case, the one thing I can't understand is Barnes swearing under oath that GWB did not receive special consideration and then right when the polls start showing double digit leads for the President, Mr. Barnes has a sudden case of remorse for not telling the "truth". My gosh, he's a Democrat and evidently the Clinton "team" know how to turn the screws!
127 posted on 09/09/2004 7:52:08 PM PDT by not2worry (The future of Our Country is in Our Hands!)
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To: rocklobster11

A-1 graphic!


128 posted on 09/09/2004 7:53:12 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: John Thornton
Independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines said the memos looked like they had been produced on a computer using Microsoft Word software, not widely available when the documents were supposedly written in 1972 and 1973.

Pure comedy. LOL!

129 posted on 09/09/2004 7:59:14 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone

Well said.


130 posted on 09/09/2004 7:59:46 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: mabelkitty

Well done.


131 posted on 09/09/2004 8:05:57 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: Jalapeno

A classic!


132 posted on 09/09/2004 8:08:04 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: EagleUSA
Maybe the best thing to come out of this is that the big guys in the white coats will finally come and forcibly remove "What's the frequency, Kenneth?" from CBS.

That sumb*tch is surely ready for the dog track and early bird specials. I just never want to hear him or see him ever again. Even Imus threw him overboard about a year ago.

133 posted on 09/09/2004 8:13:23 PM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: patriciaruth

< Now the only way CBS can defend its honor is to say that these are computer typed copies of the original, that they have seen the originals and the originals have been vetted. >

There is no good reason to make computer copies of any alleged originals in this instance; and if there were ANY asserted good reason, it was incumbent upon CBS to announce this at the outset - otherwise: there is an indicated intent to deceive.


134 posted on 09/09/2004 8:26:17 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: Pharmboy

I would love having a picture of Dan Rather's perp walk on my screen saver.


135 posted on 09/09/2004 8:26:25 PM PDT by DmBarch
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To: tonmo

That is awesome!


136 posted on 09/09/2004 8:27:36 PM PDT by KingPin
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To: tirednvirginia

You couldn't have asked for a better day than today.... I think the lemmings on DU are on suicide watch.


137 posted on 09/09/2004 8:28:49 PM PDT by KingPin
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To: rwt60

I'm not ex-military so maybe one of the military guys can answer this, but who ever heard of a fighter wing operating out of a PO Box?


138 posted on 09/09/2004 8:32:25 PM PDT by KingPin
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To: 11th_VA; BOBWADE
New from Drudge:

CBS NEWS executives have launched an internal investigation into whether its premiere news program 60 MINUTES aired fabricated documents relating to Bush National Guard service, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"The reputation and integrity of the entire news division is at stake, if we are in error, it will be corrected," a top CBS source explained late Thursday.

The source, who asked not to be named, described CBSNEWS anchor and 60 MINUTES correspondent Dan Rather as being "shell-shocked" by the increasingly likelihood that the documents in question were fraudulent.

Rather, who anchored the segment presenting new information on the president's military service, will personally correct the record on-air, if need be, the source explained from New York.

139 posted on 09/09/2004 8:34:29 PM PDT by zip ((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans))
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To: counterpunch
"Not only is it a proportional font with superscript, the type is also kerned. That's gotta be one clairvoyant typewriter to know what letter is coming next!"

And to add insult to injury...it was pointed (no pun intended) out on another thread that the line spacing is 13 points....which is NOT available on a typewariter.

140 posted on 09/09/2004 8:36:54 PM PDT by spokeshave (Traitor Kerry did for free what the POWs received torture to make them say)
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