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"Crude and amazingly foolish forgeries"
The Weekly Standard | 090904 | Stephen F. Hayes

Posted on 09/09/2004 4:42:30 PM PDT by dep

DOCUMENTS CITED Wednesday by 60 Minutes in a widely-publicized expose of George W. Bush's National Guard Service are very likely forgeries, according to several experts on document authenticity and typography. The documents--four memos from Killian to himself or his files written in 1972 and 1973--appear to indicate that Bush refused or ignored orders to have a physical exam required to continue flying. CBS News anchor Dan Rather reported the segment and sourced the documents this way: "60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file," he said. The 60 Minutes story served as the basis for follow-up news reports for dozens of news organizations across the country. The memos were almost immediately questioned in the blog world, with blog Power Line leading the charge.

And according to several forensic document experts contacted by THE WEEKLY STANDARD say the Killian memos appear to be forgeries. Although it is nearly impossible to establish with certainty the authenticity of documents without a careful examination of the originals, several irregularities in the Killian memos suggest that CBS may have been the victim of a hoax.

"These sure look like forgeries," says William Flynn, a forensic document expert widely considered the nation's top analyst of computer-generated documents. Flynn looked at copies of the documents posted on the CBS News website (here, here, here, and here). Flynn says, "I would say it looks very likely that these documents could not

have existed" in the early 1970s, when they were allegedly written.

Several other experts agree. "They look mighty suspicious," says a veteran forensic document expert who asked not to be quoted by name. Richard Polt, a Xavier University philosophy professor who operates a website dedicated to typewriters, says that while he is not an expert on typesetting, the documents "look like typical word-processed documents."

There are several reasons these experts are skeptical of the authenticity of the Killian memos. First the typographic spacing is proportional, as is routine with professional typesetting and computer typography, not monospace, as was common in typewriters in the 1970s. (In proportional type, thin letters like "i" and "l" are spaced closer together than thick letters like "W" and "M". In monospace, all the letter widths are the same.)

Second, the font appears to be identical to the Times New Roman font that is the default typeface in Microsoft Word and other modern word processing programs. According to Flynn, the font is not listed in the Haas Atlas--the definitive encyclopedia of typewriter type fonts.



Third, the apostrophes are curlicues of the sort produced by word processors on personal computers, not the straight vertical hashmarks typical of typewriters. Finally, in some references to Bush's unit--the 111thFighter Interceptor Squadron--the "th" is a superscript in a smaller size than the other type. Again, this is typical (and often done automatically) in modern word processing programs. Although several experts allow that such a rendering might have been theoretically possible in the early 1970s, it would have been highly unlikely. Superscripts produced on typewriters--the numbers preceding footnotes in term papers, for example--were almost always in the same size as the regular type.



So can we say with absolute certainty that the documents were forged? Not yet. Xavier University's Polt, in an email, offers two possible scenarios. "Either these are later transcriptions of earlier documents (which may have been handwritten or typed on a typewriter), or they are crude and amazingly foolish forgeries. I'm a Kerry supporter myself, but I won't let that cloud my objective judgment: I'm 99% sure that these documents were not produced in the early 1970s."



Says Flynn: "This looks pretty much like a hoax at this point in time."



CBS, in a statement Thursday afternoon, said it stands by the story. The network claims that its own document expert concluded the memos were authentic. There are several things CBS could do to clear up any confusion:



(1) Provide the name of the expert who authenticated the documents for Sixty Minutes.



(2) Provide the original documents to outside experts--William Flynn, Gerald Reynolds, and Peter Tytell seem to be the consensus top three in the United States--for further analysis.



(3) Provide more information on the source of the documents.



(A spokeswoman for CBS, Kelly Edwards, said she was overwhelmed with phone calls and did not respond to specific requests for comment.)



Stephen F. Hayes is a staff writer at The Weekly Standard.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; cbs; ccrm; forgery; kerry; killian; stephenfhayes
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1 posted on 09/09/2004 4:42:32 PM PDT by dep
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To: dep

Check out Drudge's front page - at the time of this posting, he's got the 60Minutes logo upside-down. LOL.


2 posted on 09/09/2004 4:43:37 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa ("Oxymoron" is an oxymoron. Oxys=Sharp, keen + Moros=foolish --> moron = oxymoron.)
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To: dep
Thanks!

(A spokeswoman for CBS, Kelly Edwards, said she was overwhelmed with phone calls and did not respond to specific requests for comment.)

Bwah hah hah hah hah...

3 posted on 09/09/2004 4:43:47 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: dep

*snicker


4 posted on 09/09/2004 4:44:01 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough (Imagine there's no Kerry, it's easy if you try... or don't try! ?)
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To: dep

SCRAPPLEFACE:



1972 Email Casts Doubt on Bush Guard Service

(2004-09-09) -- CBS reporter Dan Rather today released the text of a recently discovered email from then-Lt. George W. Bush's Air National Guard commanding officer which casts more doubt upon the military service of the man who would become the 43rd President of the United States.

The revelation of the email comes just hours after questions were raised about the authenticity of typewritten memos from the same officer, shown yesterday by Mr. Rather on 60 Minutes.

According to the previously unseen email message sent in May 1972 by squadron commander Jerry Killian, Lt. Bush phoned Col. Killian because "his internet connection was on the fritz and he couldn't IM me."

Lt. Bush apparently wanted to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

According to Col. Killian's email, the young Bush wanted to go to Alabama to work as webmaster for a Republican candidate's website.

Mr. Rather said the authenticity of the 32-year-old email has been confirmed by several Nigerian officials who specialize in electronic funds transfer by email.


5 posted on 09/09/2004 4:44:20 PM PDT by Petronski (With what? Spitballs!?!)
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To: dep

ha ha


6 posted on 09/09/2004 4:44:38 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: dep
Posted.
7 posted on 09/09/2004 4:44:53 PM PDT by Rocko (The Dems will have "Bush Stole the Election!" put on their tombstones.)
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To: dep
Though this Hayes story was already posted, see my COLOCALIZATION of one of the "original" ANG documents with a Microsoft Word version written in Times New Roman. I used GIFs from an earlier post in the thread.
8 posted on 09/09/2004 4:44:55 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: falcon1966

Yes, CBS should immediately:

1) Provide the name of the expert who authenticated the documents for Sixty Minutes.

(2) Provide the original documents to outside experts--William Flynn, Gerald Reynolds, and Peter Tytell seem to be the consensus top three in the United States--for further analysis.

(3) Provide more information on the source of the documents.


9 posted on 09/09/2004 4:45:01 PM PDT by falcon1966
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Quick, check the font on the Lehman citation!


10 posted on 09/09/2004 4:46:19 PM PDT by jaydubyagee
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To: dep
. . . several irregularities in the Killian memos suggest that CBS may have been the victim of a hoax.

VICTIM of a hoax????? More likely, the perpetrator of one.

11 posted on 09/09/2004 4:46:24 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Petronski
Mr. Rather said the authenticity of the 32-year-old email has been confirmed by several Nigerian officials who specialize in electronic funds transfer by email.

That's funny!

12 posted on 09/09/2004 4:46:27 PM PDT by zlala
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To: Petronski

You da man


13 posted on 09/09/2004 4:46:37 PM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 2D Combined Action Group Viet Nam 70-71)
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To: falcon1966
Provide more information on the source of the documents.

What did James Carville know, and when did he know it?

;-)

14 posted on 09/09/2004 4:46:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Abortion: The American Holocaust.)
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To: dep

bttttttttt


15 posted on 09/09/2004 4:47:35 PM PDT by dennisw (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: Petronski
60 minutes shamelessly promoting forgeries. Today show promoting slander.

There are two Americas. One thinks the Enquirer is real. The rest of us will vote for W.

16 posted on 09/09/2004 4:47:57 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Carville is taking direction from Hitlery. In fact he is the one behind it so as to assure a W victory.


17 posted on 09/09/2004 4:48:08 PM PDT by mlbford2 ("sycophantic kerry koolaid sucker" -- S. Hannity)
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To: madprof98

The use of the word 'hoax' is far too soft.

'Forgery' is the proper term.


18 posted on 09/09/2004 4:48:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Abortion: The American Holocaust.)
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To: falcon1966

4) Force Communist Rather to resign


19 posted on 09/09/2004 4:48:34 PM PDT by New Girl
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To: Keith in Iowa
Check out Drudge's front page - at the time of this posting, he's got the 60Minutes logo upside-down. LOL.

Hey! Someone should put the CBS logo upside-down, too!

Er...wait...

20 posted on 09/09/2004 4:48:37 PM PDT by Physicist
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