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"Crude and amazingly foolish forgeries"
The Weekly Standard | 090904 | Stephen F. Hayes

Posted on 09/09/2004 4:42:30 PM PDT by dep

DOCUMENTS CITED Wednesday by 60 Minutes in a widely-publicized expose of George W. Bush's National Guard Service are very likely forgeries, according to several experts on document authenticity and typography. The documents--four memos from Killian to himself or his files written in 1972 and 1973--appear to indicate that Bush refused or ignored orders to have a physical exam required to continue flying. CBS News anchor Dan Rather reported the segment and sourced the documents this way: "60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file," he said. The 60 Minutes story served as the basis for follow-up news reports for dozens of news organizations across the country. The memos were almost immediately questioned in the blog world, with blog Power Line leading the charge.

And according to several forensic document experts contacted by THE WEEKLY STANDARD say the Killian memos appear to be forgeries. Although it is nearly impossible to establish with certainty the authenticity of documents without a careful examination of the originals, several irregularities in the Killian memos suggest that CBS may have been the victim of a hoax.

"These sure look like forgeries," says William Flynn, a forensic document expert widely considered the nation's top analyst of computer-generated documents. Flynn looked at copies of the documents posted on the CBS News website (here, here, here, and here). Flynn says, "I would say it looks very likely that these documents could not

have existed" in the early 1970s, when they were allegedly written.

Several other experts agree. "They look mighty suspicious," says a veteran forensic document expert who asked not to be quoted by name. Richard Polt, a Xavier University philosophy professor who operates a website dedicated to typewriters, says that while he is not an expert on typesetting, the documents "look like typical word-processed documents."

There are several reasons these experts are skeptical of the authenticity of the Killian memos. First the typographic spacing is proportional, as is routine with professional typesetting and computer typography, not monospace, as was common in typewriters in the 1970s. (In proportional type, thin letters like "i" and "l" are spaced closer together than thick letters like "W" and "M". In monospace, all the letter widths are the same.)

Second, the font appears to be identical to the Times New Roman font that is the default typeface in Microsoft Word and other modern word processing programs. According to Flynn, the font is not listed in the Haas Atlas--the definitive encyclopedia of typewriter type fonts.



Third, the apostrophes are curlicues of the sort produced by word processors on personal computers, not the straight vertical hashmarks typical of typewriters. Finally, in some references to Bush's unit--the 111thFighter Interceptor Squadron--the "th" is a superscript in a smaller size than the other type. Again, this is typical (and often done automatically) in modern word processing programs. Although several experts allow that such a rendering might have been theoretically possible in the early 1970s, it would have been highly unlikely. Superscripts produced on typewriters--the numbers preceding footnotes in term papers, for example--were almost always in the same size as the regular type.



So can we say with absolute certainty that the documents were forged? Not yet. Xavier University's Polt, in an email, offers two possible scenarios. "Either these are later transcriptions of earlier documents (which may have been handwritten or typed on a typewriter), or they are crude and amazingly foolish forgeries. I'm a Kerry supporter myself, but I won't let that cloud my objective judgment: I'm 99% sure that these documents were not produced in the early 1970s."



Says Flynn: "This looks pretty much like a hoax at this point in time."



CBS, in a statement Thursday afternoon, said it stands by the story. The network claims that its own document expert concluded the memos were authentic. There are several things CBS could do to clear up any confusion:



(1) Provide the name of the expert who authenticated the documents for Sixty Minutes.



(2) Provide the original documents to outside experts--William Flynn, Gerald Reynolds, and Peter Tytell seem to be the consensus top three in the United States--for further analysis.



(3) Provide more information on the source of the documents.



(A spokeswoman for CBS, Kelly Edwards, said she was overwhelmed with phone calls and did not respond to specific requests for comment.)



Stephen F. Hayes is a staff writer at The Weekly Standard.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; cbs; ccrm; forgery; kerry; killian; stephenfhayes
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To: dep
So, if they are forgeries, what can be done to get to the people who dreamed that up.

I suppose this will lead us to the "Clinton Liars in Action Plan" aka CLAP and would suppose that unless Freepers go after them, the Dem OWNED media will "kill it". It loooks like they're on that path already.

21 posted on 09/09/2004 4:49:02 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: dep

CBS has no more credibility than Al Jazera.


22 posted on 09/09/2004 4:50:03 PM PDT by True Grit
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To: dep
"The network claims that its own document expert concluded the memos were authentic."

Authentic? How about authentic forgeries?

23 posted on 09/09/2004 4:50:10 PM PDT by semaj ("....by their fruit you will know them.")
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To: dep

24 posted on 09/09/2004 4:50:29 PM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: Petronski
You are missing the link to the story.

Link to story source

Thank you for the post.

25 posted on 09/09/2004 4:50:37 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: EternalVigilance

Forgery AND Fraud.


26 posted on 09/09/2004 4:50:45 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: dep
(2) Provide the original documents to outside experts--William Flynn, Gerald Reynolds, and Peter Tytell seem to be the consensus top three in the United States--for further analysis

They can't. They don't have the original. IMO.

27 posted on 09/09/2004 4:50:50 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: dep
Breaking news....

In an upcoming 60 Minutes segment, Dan Rather will produce documents suggesting that George Bush was involved in the plot to assassinate Abraham Lincoln.

developing...

28 posted on 09/09/2004 4:50:54 PM PDT by NewMediaFan
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To: dep

It's Bill Gates fault!


29 posted on 09/09/2004 4:51:17 PM PDT by ShandaLear (Swifties v. MoveOn.org: David slays Goliath)
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To: NewMediaFan

Rather was probably an eyewitness.


30 posted on 09/09/2004 4:51:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Abortion: The American Holocaust.)
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To: dep

Is CBS having a meltdown? What the heck were they thinking?


31 posted on 09/09/2004 4:52:05 PM PDT by Spok
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To: dep

The blogosphere comes of age...


32 posted on 09/09/2004 4:53:07 PM PDT by fhayek (Spitball veteran for Bush)
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To: ShandaLear

If the forgers were smart enough to use Linux, they may have gotten away with this. (Joking, I actually use Linux)


33 posted on 09/09/2004 4:53:11 PM PDT by Crispy
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To: savedbygrace
They can't. They don't have the original. IMO.

If they had the original "typewritten" document then wouldn't it still have indentations from the striker keys?

34 posted on 09/09/2004 4:53:20 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: Petronski

The Scrappleface article needs its own thread.


35 posted on 09/09/2004 4:53:54 PM PDT by socal_parrot (John Kerry is so 9/10.)
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To: Petronski

FOFL.....THAT's where they got the letter.....from NIGERIA!!!!


36 posted on 09/09/2004 4:54:24 PM PDT by goodnesswins (VICTORY...........brings peace.)
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To: dep
"These sure look like forgeries," says William Flynn, a forensic document expert widely considered the nation's top analyst of computer-generated documents

Now that's got some gravitas.

And FR got it all rolling. Between this and the Swiftboat Vets, the New Media has come fully of age.

37 posted on 09/09/2004 4:54:26 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: EternalVigilance
The use of the word 'hoax' is far too soft.

Actually another Freeper on another thread pointed out that forging military records (even of an air national guard unity) may be a fairly serious felony!

I think we should start using the term for this as

Kerry's (Dan Rather's) Felony-Forgery-Gate

38 posted on 09/09/2004 4:54:31 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: semaj

Quote from CBS expert: "Yes, they're real," she said as she gently pressed the papers to her chest.


39 posted on 09/09/2004 4:54:50 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: jaydubyagee
Quick, check the font on the Lehman citation!

LOL!

Kerry had no idea who he was up against. We've got FR and all he's got is those lousy trial lawyers!

40 posted on 09/09/2004 4:54:55 PM PDT by Timeout (My name is Timeout....and I'm a blogaholic)
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