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CBS' “new” Bush guard memos a hoax (Update w/ conclusive proof of forgeries!)
ChronicallyBiased - keeping tabs on the Houston Chronicle ^ | 9/9

Posted on 09/09/2004 3:47:33 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist

(scroll down to the bottom of the article for the update section):

UPDATE: NEW PROOF OF FORGERY

Following the Little Green Footballs blog lead, CB decided to test the pantograph replication technique on another of the CBS documents to see if it held true. Using Microsoft Word on its factory default settings with 12 point Times New Roman font we copied the address line of CBS memo #1 and overlapped the two for comparison.

As you can see the test worked and, in doing so, inadvertantly uncovered more proof that the document is a forgery. The new evidence revolves around the fact that Microsoft Word auto-formats its text using the centering function. When the text alignment for “center” is selected each subsequent line will be precisely centered underneath the previous one with each word of the text readjusting to meet this alignment as new letters are entered into the line. Since typewriters mechanically stamp letters onto a sheet of paper one at a time, it is physically impossible to create a mechanical typewriter document that perfectly aligns two or more centered rows of text on top of each other. The address bar on CBS Memo #1 is perfectly centered and perfectly aligned, thus it had to have come from a computer word processor and not a typewriter. The replication experiment in Microsoft Word with an identical match further validates this origin.


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To: Steven W.
On this thread --- HUGH HEWITT REQUESTS THREAD, I beat you by 50 seconds saying that Rather should be forced to resign. I am warning you, don't try to phony it up with an old Remington typewriter to claim you beat me. :)
21 posted on 09/09/2004 3:54:38 PM PDT by doug from upland (Who has yellow cake? I want to weaponize my spitballs.)
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To: GOPcapitalist
Fred Barnes says that the Weekly Standard will have a story up momentarily saying that this is unquestionably a hoax.
22 posted on 09/09/2004 3:55:03 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: alnick

Would you be willing to post a detailed uptake on the discussion on Brit's panel? Thanks. (Gave up our cable a few months back!)


23 posted on 09/09/2004 3:55:06 PM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Steven W.

I am willing to bet $50 bucks right now that Blather-boy is going to announce his retirement for "health reasons" or some similar excuse within the next 48 hours.

Any takers?


24 posted on 09/09/2004 3:55:26 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: randog

Yeah, it's one of those 1 in a billion something chances of a match.

Killian would have had to be sitting there for hours with a drafting ruler and perfect knowledge of the exact width of each and every letter to get them to line up perfectly centered!


25 posted on 09/09/2004 3:55:37 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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To: alnick
In all fairness, back in the stone ages we used to center on mechanical typewriters all the time. It's just that the typist did the math rather than having the computer figure it out. :-)

Wrong.
There might have been an occasional case when the lines centered perfectly, but it was a function of the number of letters per line. With three lines, this is almost impossible to be mathematically perfect on a typewriter. I know. I used to do that. "Visually" centered, but not mathematically.

26 posted on 09/09/2004 3:56:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

Mort trying to say this TANG business no longer matters and shouldn't be brought up, and Birnbaum basically stuck to the point that it does matter if the documents are forgeries.

Mort, Mort, Mort. It matters when it could kill the Republicans, but they want to change the subject when they get caught.


27 posted on 09/09/2004 3:57:39 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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To: Boundless

LOL!!! I was just wondering myself how long it would take before someone got around to mentioning that possibility. I didn't want to raise it myself because I don't want to be accused to giving the CRAPS any ideas.


28 posted on 09/09/2004 3:57:48 PM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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To: Ronin

No takers. Wasn't there something about him campaigning for Kerry part-time, or was someone funning us?


29 posted on 09/09/2004 3:58:00 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: GOPcapitalist

Excellent!


30 posted on 09/09/2004 3:58:11 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: alnick

You just go to the center (you measured it), then backspace once for every two characters or spaces....

But it sure didn't look like the type on the letters in question.

I believe that this is going to be shown to prove to a lot more folks that CBS is on the Kerry payroll (so to speak). I'm hoping that there is a major backlash from this.


31 posted on 09/09/2004 3:58:49 PM PDT by TheBattman (http://www.swiftvets.com/)
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To: randog
Perhaps the Heart of Gold was flying by.
32 posted on 09/09/2004 3:58:51 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: GOPcapitalist

bump


33 posted on 09/09/2004 3:59:06 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: Ronin
you could make lots of money, dude.
It's worth $50 just to hope it will happen.
34 posted on 09/09/2004 3:59:21 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either)
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To: GOPcapitalist

Was the document created in MS Word?

Nobody knows.

But if it matches the word-wrap of MS Word exactly, odds are it was done on a machine that used the same paragraphing algorithm as MS does.

Which wouldn't be unusual - nearly all typesetting systems today, and the best typesetting systems for quite some time, have used a variant of Knuth's algorithm.

Which was first published in 1981.

Adobe has used Knuth's algorithm for 15 years, now. Microsoft for I don't know how long.

So it's not at all suprising that a word-processing or type-setting system would layout the text similarly to what MS Word would - if that word-processing or type-setting system had been developed after 1981.

It's close to an impossibility that a word-processing or type-setting system that predated 1981 would do so. Knuth's was the first to consider the layout of the entire paragraph when determining line-breaks. Which is what the typesetters had always done.

But no automated system prior to 1981 did so. Particularly no typewriter, no matter how sophisticated.

And no typist would manually lay out a paragraph while they were typing and break where Knuth's algorithm would break, except by random chance.


35 posted on 09/09/2004 3:59:40 PM PDT by jdege
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To: mabelkitty

They're both right. The NG stuff doesn't matter. Media lies do matter.


36 posted on 09/09/2004 3:59:47 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: The Duke; 1L

Barnes on FNC said something about it being interesting that the doc without the superscript had a space between the number and the "th". Possibly so the word processing program wouldn't automatically create the supercript. Maybe that explains why the differences in the use of the supercript. Boy, it looks to me like someone wanted this to caught.


37 posted on 09/09/2004 3:59:53 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: GOPcapitalist
I'm grinning ear to ear. Magnificent work FReepers.

Democratic Party, CBS News and Dan Rather CAUGHT RED-HANDED perpetrating a fraud!!

This could have the effect of casting a "chill" over the rats' right to free speech.

Life is sweet when you win...

38 posted on 09/09/2004 4:00:04 PM PDT by telebob
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To: The Duke
That can be turned off/overridden.
39 posted on 09/09/2004 4:00:14 PM PDT by TheBattman (http://www.swiftvets.com/)
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To: alnick
In all fairness, back in the stone ages we used to center on mechanical typewriters all the time. It's just that the typist did the math rather than having the computer figure it out. :-)

It is indeed possible to approximate your centering and get something there that is presentable, but since each letter is typed mechanically, it is virtually impossible to get it exactly centered like a word processor does. When you type a letter in a word processor it automatically readjusts every other letter to ensure equadistant variations around a center line. The word processer centers from the middle out in two directions whereas a typewriter centers in one direction from an approximation made going from a point slightly left of the center across the page.

40 posted on 09/09/2004 4:00:37 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist ("Can Lincoln expect to subjugate a people thus resolved? No!" - Sam Houston, 3/1863)
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