Posted on 09/09/2004 3:46:57 PM PDT by doug from upland
Hugh Hewitt has done a magnificent job this afternoon on the Killian memos. He requests that the FReeper do a thread citing what the Globe and others said before they knew it was a fraud. Have at it.
Just heard him discuss the docs with an expert named ?Shriver? Great stuff. Shriver also vouched for the credibility of his colleague, the expert who has said that he is 90% sure the docs are fake. This keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Is it time to demand Rather's resignation?
Is it time to demand Rather's resignation?
YUPPERS!!!!!
HUGH IS DOING AN AWESOME JOB -- I'M LISTENING TO HIM ONLINE AS I TYPE!
KUDOS HUGH!!!
At the very least we should demand an apology..
For sure it is time for the democrats to STOP USING THE DEAD! It is bad enough that they vote in certain polling booths with regularity...but now the dead write memos with technology years ahead of their moment in time.
Compelling radio. Hugh and his staff are doing a terrific job. Hugh is fast becoming my new fav on the radio (Medved's also pretty damn good too).
( forgot promise already...lol!)
The Centering algorithm exactly matches word processor. Would be VERY difficult to do this with purportional typewriter of 1972!
BUSTED!
The guy is qualified!!
http://www.documentlab.com/qualific.htm
Qualifications
The Shiver & Nelson Document Investigation Laboratory is owned by Farrell C. Shiver. His qualifications in the field of forensic document examination include:
No. A head needs to roll for this. It isn't only the document forgery here but the use of Barnes, a Kerry election fund raiser and contributer, which they failed to acknowledge. Rather needs to step down in disgrace.
Hey Hugh--
CBS has changed their story. Here's what Boundless posted on another thread:
Dunno if it's been reported here yet, but CBS has entered
stage 2, denial:
CBS News denies Bush docs forged
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40376
> "As is standard practice at CBS News, each of the
> documents broadcast on '60 Minutes' was thoroughly
> investigated by independent experts, and we are
> convinced of their authenticity," said Edwards.
Not - as it turns out:
> "Later, however, she sent an e-mail to WND, adding,
> "CBS verified the authenticity of the documents by
> talking to individuals who had seen the documents at
> the time they were written. These individuals were
> close associates of [Bush commander] Colonel Jerry
> Killian and confirm that the documents reflect his
> opinions at the time the documents were written."
Oops.
Prediction of DNC spin: "It was an RNC plant. They
took advantage of our hate and incompetence."
18 posted on 09/09/2004 3:07:07 PM PDT by Boundless
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I believe that if they ever can trace this thing back to its roots, we may well find that it all just adds more fuel to the fire regarding the theory that the Clinton's and their operatives are undermining Kerry so Hillary can be in position for 2008.
Either way...if this type of thing gets aired...put a fork into Kerry's campaign because he is done.
Just my two cents and opinion.
Here's a twisted theory. The Bush campaign planted the document knowing CBS would be gullible enough to go for it then secretly pointed out some of the obvious discrepancies and let the ball roll downhill from there. Don't shoot me please. Just thinking out loud.
CBS is just doing what CBS does.
One thing about CBS - - you know where you stand with CBS. That network makes no claims whatsoever that they are "non-biased" or "objective" or any of that other crap thrown out by so many other liberal newsrooms from Newsweek to the New York Times to ABC to CNN, etc.
CBS is now, and has been for decades, an unapologetic shill for the Democrat party and for liberalism in general. Everybody knows it and CBS doesn't care that everybody knows it. Dan Rather is the perfect face of CBS - - his head is not about to roll. I'm sure that at this very moment CBS is poring through all its DNC faxes scrounging for more fake dirt to throw at Bush.
I think the idea to put up these documents started about the time Carvil and the other mud throwers, knew that for Kerry to have a chance had to pull out all the stops.
I bet the sources are Carvil underlings.
Too risky and not true to his convictions for Bush, particularly with his lead widening.
Doug, we need to find out where these fraudulent documents originated.
Was the document created in MS Word?
Nobody knows.
But if it matches the word-wrap of MS Word exactly, odds are it was done on a machine that used the same paragraphing algorithm as MS does.
Which wouldn't be unusual - nearly all typesetting systems today, and the best typesetting systems for quite some time, have used a variant of Knuth's algorithm.
Which was first published in 1981.
Adobe has used Knuth's algorithm for 15 years, now. Microsoft for I don't know how long.
So it's not at all suprising that a word-processing or type-setting system would layout the text similarly to what MS Word would - if that word-processing or type-setting system had been developed after 1981.
It's close to an impossibility that a word-processing or type-setting system that predated 1981 would do so. Knuth's was the first to consider the layout of the entire paragraph when determining line-breaks. Which is what the typesetters had always done.
But no automated system prior to 1981 did so. Particularly no typewriter, no matter how sophisticated.
And no typist would manually lay out a paragraph while they were typing and break where Knuth's algorithm would break, except by random chance.
bttt
WHAT DID KERRY KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT???????
I wish Hugh was on XM satellite radio.
Does anyone smell Hillary? Well, I guess I had to change taglines again.
Can you post the link for online listening?
btt
I saw Johan Goldberg has floated this theory (as one that will be used by the left as an accusation). To jump ahead a little----will it be possible to trace these docs to a source?
http://wjgr.com/
LISTEN TO HUGH HERE.
"Is it time to demand Rather's resignation?"
How about jail time for all the principals and massive fines to all CBS afilliates who spread the lies in an attempt to tamper with the US election?
He's not, but Larry Elder is on XM CH #124 right now
Hugh's havin' a ball with this!
CBS or whoever forged these docs could be charged with the forgery of a government document a FEDERAL offense.
You're starting to think like Michael Moore... In a way that's a good thing because it lets us prepare for their spin to get out of the latest hole they've dug for themselves....
Dan Rather is so unpatriotic that he would knowingly promote a fraud to harm the President.
If there can be a huge fine for Janet Jackson's naked boob, there can be an even bigger fine for this deliberate fraud perpetrated on our President.
How about a couple more "bigger"s"?
Since my computer is on the "fritz" I can't link up but here is an article I saved from WND yesterday:
Movie on 'Clinton-Kerry deceit' debuts
'Mega Fix' premieres at American Film Renaissance festival
Posted: September 8, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com A film that implicates Bill Clinton, John Kerry and others for policies that allegedly led to the attacks of September 11 will debut this weekend at the American Film Renaissance festival in Dallas.
"Mega Fix," produced by WND author and columnist Jack Cashill, pulls together pieces of what the filmmaker says are deliberate decisions made by the Clinton administration prior to the 1996 presidential election that downplayed Islamic involvement in attacks on the U.S. and heightened the boldness of terrorists, culminating in the 9-11 attack.
Says promotional material for the 90-minute movie: "Cashill leads the viewer from Oklahoma City to Dubrovnik, where Ron Brown's plane crashed, to the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia to the destruction of TWA Flight 800 off Long Island to the Olympic Park bombing. As Cashill proves beyond dispute, these are not multiple conspiracies but all part of one major political fix, the mother of all fixes, the Mega Fix."
Though the federal government to this day claims the TWA Flight 800 disaster was not terror-related, Cashill notes it was John Kerry who, shortly after 9-11, inferred in the media that the plane's destruction was a terrorist act. A member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in 1996, John Kerry made no public comment about the fate of Flight 800 prior to 9-11.
Cashill, a Ph.D. in American studies from Purdue, brings together information he used in writing his two latest books, "First Strike: TWA and the Attack on America" and "Ron Brown's Body."
However, it was not until he collaborated with "The Third Terrorist" author and former Oklahoma City TV reporter Jayna Davis on a series of WorldNetDaily articles about the OKC bombing that Cashill began to connect the dots between these seemingly disparate events.
Says a statement from Cashill: "[Clinton and his staff] turned Ron Brown into Martin Luther King while suppressing the investigation into his death. They swept the Khobar Towers disaster under the rug. They ignored all Islamic trails to the Olympic Park bombing and hung the innocent Richard Jewell out to dry until the election. And most spectacularly of all, they transformed the shoot down of TWA Flight 800 into a mechanical failure."
As WorldNetDaily reported, the film festival, taking place Sept. 10-12, aims to screen pro-America, patriotic documentaries to serve as an alternative to the Sundance and Cannes festivals.
Also making their world debuts will be two documentaries targeting leftist filmmaker Michael Moore – "Michael and Me" and "Michael Moore Hates America." Seventeen films will be screened in all.
WorldNetDaily is the Internet sponsor of the American Film Renaissance festival.
KEN MELLMAN on Hugh now........
"Can you post the link for online listening?"
I'm listening at http://www.ktkz.com/
I also encourage you to visit Hugh's website at http://www.hughhewitt.com
How about a couple more "bigger"s"?
Since my computer is on the "fritz" I can't link up but here is an article I saved from WND yesterday:
Movie on 'Clinton-Kerry deceit' debuts
'Mega Fix' premieres at American Film Renaissance festival
Posted: September 8, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com A film that implicates Bill Clinton, John Kerry and others for policies that allegedly led to the attacks of September 11 will debut this weekend at the American Film Renaissance festival in Dallas.
"Mega Fix," produced by WND author and columnist Jack Cashill, pulls together pieces of what the filmmaker says are deliberate decisions made by the Clinton administration prior to the 1996 presidential election that downplayed Islamic involvement in attacks on the U.S. and heightened the boldness of terrorists, culminating in the 9-11 attack.
Says promotional material for the 90-minute movie: "Cashill leads the viewer from Oklahoma City to Dubrovnik, where Ron Brown's plane crashed, to the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia to the destruction of TWA Flight 800 off Long Island to the Olympic Park bombing. As Cashill proves beyond dispute, these are not multiple conspiracies but all part of one major political fix, the mother of all fixes, the Mega Fix."
Though the federal government to this day claims the TWA Flight 800 disaster was not terror-related, Cashill notes it was John Kerry who, shortly after 9-11, inferred in the media that the plane's destruction was a terrorist act. A member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in 1996, John Kerry made no public comment about the fate of Flight 800 prior to 9-11.
Cashill, a Ph.D. in American studies from Purdue, brings together information he used in writing his two latest books, "First Strike: TWA and the Attack on America" and "Ron Brown's Body."
However, it was not until he collaborated with "The Third Terrorist" author and former Oklahoma City TV reporter Jayna Davis on a series of WorldNetDaily articles about the OKC bombing that Cashill began to connect the dots between these seemingly disparate events.
Says a statement from Cashill: "[Clinton and his staff] turned Ron Brown into Martin Luther King while suppressing the investigation into his death. They swept the Khobar Towers disaster under the rug. They ignored all Islamic trails to the Olympic Park bombing and hung the innocent Richard Jewell out to dry until the election. And most spectacularly of all, they transformed the shoot down of TWA Flight 800 into a mechanical failure."
As WorldNetDaily reported, the film festival, taking place Sept. 10-12, aims to screen pro-America, patriotic documentaries to serve as an alternative to the Sundance and Cannes festivals.
Also making their world debuts will be two documentaries targeting leftist filmmaker Michael Moore – "Michael and Me" and "Michael Moore Hates America." Seventeen films will be screened in all.
WorldNetDaily is the Internet sponsor of the American Film Renaissance festival.
We don't need CFR... What we need is MEDIA REFORM!!!
To remain "fair and balanced," I must say that PBS's documentary on 9-11 that followed the President around was excellent in most respects, last night!!! I hope more liberals watch it since they've had their minds absolutely poisoned by Michael Moore's pile of puke!!!
It's Demonicrat/Media Complex ABUSE OF THE DEAD!!!
Thanks I got that. You wouldn't happen to know if there's a thread with a timeline of how all this began?
This will teach me to not get sick and not at least check in.
That's exactly why I floated the theory. To take it one step further, let's suppose the White House decided to let the news break on the internet and on conservative web sites. Forewarned is forearmed. We need to prepare for such an accusation.
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