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MICHAEL MEDVED Covering 60 Minutes Document Forgery Scandal
Michael Medved Radio Show ^ | 9/9/04 | Michael Medved

Posted on 09/09/2004 1:39:31 PM PDT by Steven W.

In the 2nd Hour of Michael Medved's show today he is covering the Dan Rather / 60 Minutes Document Forgery Scandal


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; besttalkshowhost; bias; forgery; kerry; killian; medved; michaelmedved; rather; talkradio
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To: ArmyBratproud
Developing Brief Partial Summary of the Forgery Elements of the CBS/Rather Faked letter
Insightful Comments Made by FReepers
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1-- proportional spacing did not exist
2 -- superscripts did not exist
3 - "th" single element did not exist
4 - Smart quotes. Curved apostrophes and quotation marks were not available
5-The blurriness of the copy indicates it was recopied dozens of times, tactic of forgers
6--Signature block. Typical authentic military signature block has name, then rank, then on the next line the person's position. This just has rank beneath the name. 7--Margins. These look like a computer's unjustified default, not the way a person typing would have done it.
8 -- Date usually with three letters
9 - words run over consistent with word processor
10 - Times Roman font did not exist then (per Haas Atlas)
11 - signature looks faked
12 - no errors
13 - no letterhead
14 - exact match for Microsoft Word Processor
41 posted on 09/09/2004 2:11:01 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Cuius rei demonstrationem mirabilem sane detexi hanc marginis exiguitas non caperet.)
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To: Nakatu X

Hey cool, they had superscript back then!


42 posted on 09/09/2004 2:11:48 PM PDT by RobRoy (You only "know" what you experience. Everything else is mere belief.)
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To: Steven W.

CBS News
524 West 57th Street
NY, 10019-2902

Phone: (212) 975-4114, or
(212) 975-3691 for Dan Rather's office
Fax: (212) 975-1893


43 posted on 09/09/2004 2:14:38 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
Check HERE - Another document bites the dust!

Medved just had it out with a caller and mention this post HERE

44 posted on 09/09/2004 2:17:02 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: OneTimeLurker

Well .. several military people have found a lot wrong with the "memo". First of all - it's not on letterhead stationery .. very curious. 2nd - lettering is computer, not typeriter .. 3rd military terms are not used.


45 posted on 09/09/2004 2:18:43 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: Nakatu X

Outstanding work of illustrating the forgery. Now that I can see a "modern" word processing job verses a purported typewriter, it is clear that these documents were not done on a typewriter extant to that timeframe. These are forgeries. CBS should be sued.


46 posted on 09/09/2004 2:19:43 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: All

ATTENTION FREEPERS

I need the link to the thread where freepers broke this story open.

ALSO- I need the name of the 4 Typography dudes who have said they are bogus.

I am about to speak with someone who is going to get that info to the Barlet types.

I NEED THIS NOW! PLEASE!

BARTLET IS BLOWING IT. He is giving the answers that the consultants tell him to give. That is what got kerry killed in the swing states.


47 posted on 09/09/2004 2:20:46 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: daviscupper

What rings false to me about this particular memo is the "CYA" in the SUBJECT line. While military (including USAF Reserve) officers occasionally engage in "CYA" to protect themselves, the use of this term in the subject line would be considered extremely unprofessional, if (for example) this document were subsequently produced to explain the author's actions regarding "LT" Bush. The more appropriate (and professional) SUBJECT would be "Memorandum for the Record". If, on the other hand, this was simply the author's note to himself alone, why bother with the heading, and the externals?


48 posted on 09/09/2004 2:21:09 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: Robert357
... the one where the ignighter flare was used to produce a nice fire in a truck crash so as to give dramatic footage, when the truck didn't catch fire in a crash

Uh, that was Dateline on NBC that put the firecracker under the Chevrolet.

49 posted on 09/09/2004 2:22:19 PM PDT by garyb
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To: Nakatu X

If you do the re-size and successive photocopying, will you ping me?


50 posted on 09/09/2004 2:22:56 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: Red Badger
I noticed the "DOTS" in the background noise (supposedly from copying over and over), have a definite pattern to them.

CONNECT THE DOTS!..........

I connected all the dots and found that they form the shape of a pair of flip-flops.

51 posted on 09/09/2004 2:23:59 PM PDT by pbear8 (Swifties plus POWs = Senator Kerry)
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To: jimbo123

What about this from http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aR2rvOWZJHf0&refer=us

"In his personal file, Killian said ``I ordered 1st Lieutenant Bush be suspended not just for failing to take a physical, but for failing to perform to U.S. Air Force/Texas Air National Guard standards.'' The White House released copies of the same files after the CBS broadcast."

This would seem to indicate they are not fake.


52 posted on 09/09/2004 2:25:51 PM PDT by RobRoy (You only "know" what you experience. Everything else is mere belief.)
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To: RobRoy
The White House got the files from CBS. They were copies of the same documents.

Why would a suspension be in a personal file and not in Bush's official file?

53 posted on 09/09/2004 2:28:27 PM PDT by sinkspur ("Can someone tell me where to find an ordained archpriest?"--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: Diogenesis

Add info in post 28 to your item #8 in list


54 posted on 09/09/2004 2:28:55 PM PDT by Bonaparte (and guess who sighs his lullabies, to nights that never end...)
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To: Nakatu X
I think we've proven that it's Times New Roman. Now all we have to do is figure out when Times New Roman was invented... if it's after the dates on the memo, this thing will be disproven for once and all.

I don't think this angle goes anywhere. I'm an amateur fan of typography, having worked with it years ago.

IIRC, Times New Roman, named after the standard typeface used by the New York Times, was created for (by?) the newspaper in the early 1900s.

I'm sure somebody can dig up the full scoop.

Flash:

Nevermind: here's the full scoop. October 3, 1932 was first use.

55 posted on 09/09/2004 2:29:08 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: GretchenM
Meanwhile the DUmmies are going into a PANIC MODE over these forged documents. Here are a few DUmmie comments:

Well, all of freeper repeaterville has it now Though I saw it first on powerlineblog.com Yes, there were other fonts available for insert into the ball-type typewriters. The issue here (as I understand it) is that the documents are not produced in a unispace font (like courier), but a font with different spacing for different letters (the little "i" is narrower than the capital "O", etc) like the popular Times Roman fonts. It was theoretically possible (something called a varitype machine), but highly difficult to produce something like this document - and would never be done on a personal memo. The memos are also on 8.5x11" stock when the military standard was 8x10.5 And the memo actually has the smaller font-size "th" in a couple places ("187th") - which was not possible on ANY typewriter in 1973. In short, they conclude it was produced on a modern word processor, not a 1970's typewriter. And the author is not around to verify them (dead). Now, I have NOT seen the documents yet and don't know how much (or any) of this is true. Merely the accusation.... But it does concern me. If they are forgeries - the election is likely over.

Col. Killian died a long time ago. There is no conceivable reason he would have been keeping a unique file on fairly trivial personnel issues concerning a junior officer about to leave the service. If there are NOT hundreds of comparable Killian memos on assorted routine business matters, something is wrong.

FWIW, I don't believe these documents are forged, mainly because it would be incredibly reckless to pull a stunt like that on what is, at bottom, still a triviality.

The blog says it is smaller. So to accomplish it you would have to roll the platten up and replace the ball - then type two letters and replace the ball again and roll it back down. I've found a source that says proportional fonts were possible, but hasn't found THE font involved yet (I've seen it now, it sure looks like a member of the Times Roman family) as being available for the Selectric. None of the other documents from that command (of those that were released) indicate anything like this was in use though. I now begin to worry a tad.

56 posted on 09/09/2004 2:32:19 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
Your elucidation on the origination of this fabrication has caused great elation and wild gyrations on the foundation of my habitation and the disincorporation of my posterior location. [ROFLMAO]

Jesse... Jesse...dat you?

Who'da thought, Jesse Jackass, a FReeper!

57 posted on 09/09/2004 2:32:51 PM PDT by Don Carlos (Me cache en los Moros. Ancient Spanish curse. (Hate-speech since Spain's concession to terrorism)).)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
Allow me to gyrate my posterior, too! Your post is great, Bwa-hah-hah-hah!!!!!!!
58 posted on 09/09/2004 2:34:31 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Just got online and saw these posts--wow! How desperate are the democRATS? Where's the link for freeping CBS and letting them know their ruse didn't work? These guys need to hear from a lot...a lot of folks letting them know they've been exposed and whatever credibility they had is completely gone.


59 posted on 09/09/2004 2:37:30 PM PDT by MarDav
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To: OneTimeLurker
It's not a scandal unless it's truely forged. If it's not and we hype attention on the memo and it's found to be real (which I honestly assume it is....at least from 1973), then we are doing more harm than good.

Agree 100%

This is not something to go off half cocked on
60 posted on 09/09/2004 2:39:55 PM PDT by uncbob
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