Posted on 09/09/2004 1:39:31 PM PDT by Steven W.
In the 2nd Hour of Michael Medved's show today he is covering the Dan Rather / 60 Minutes Document Forgery Scandal
Hey cool, they had superscript back then!
CBS News
524 West 57th Street
NY, 10019-2902
Phone: (212) 975-4114, or
(212) 975-3691 for Dan Rather's office
Fax: (212) 975-1893
Medved just had it out with a caller and mention this post HERE
Well .. several military people have found a lot wrong with the "memo". First of all - it's not on letterhead stationery .. very curious. 2nd - lettering is computer, not typeriter .. 3rd military terms are not used.
Outstanding work of illustrating the forgery. Now that I can see a "modern" word processing job verses a purported typewriter, it is clear that these documents were not done on a typewriter extant to that timeframe. These are forgeries. CBS should be sued.
ATTENTION FREEPERS
I need the link to the thread where freepers broke this story open.
ALSO- I need the name of the 4 Typography dudes who have said they are bogus.
I am about to speak with someone who is going to get that info to the Barlet types.
I NEED THIS NOW! PLEASE!
BARTLET IS BLOWING IT. He is giving the answers that the consultants tell him to give. That is what got kerry killed in the swing states.
What rings false to me about this particular memo is the "CYA" in the SUBJECT line. While military (including USAF Reserve) officers occasionally engage in "CYA" to protect themselves, the use of this term in the subject line would be considered extremely unprofessional, if (for example) this document were subsequently produced to explain the author's actions regarding "LT" Bush. The more appropriate (and professional) SUBJECT would be "Memorandum for the Record". If, on the other hand, this was simply the author's note to himself alone, why bother with the heading, and the externals?
Uh, that was Dateline on NBC that put the firecracker under the Chevrolet.
If you do the re-size and successive photocopying, will you ping me?
CONNECT THE DOTS!..........
I connected all the dots and found that they form the shape of a pair of flip-flops.
What about this from http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aR2rvOWZJHf0&refer=us
"In his personal file, Killian said ``I ordered 1st Lieutenant Bush be suspended not just for failing to take a physical, but for failing to perform to U.S. Air Force/Texas Air National Guard standards.'' The White House released copies of the same files after the CBS broadcast."
This would seem to indicate they are not fake.
Why would a suspension be in a personal file and not in Bush's official file?
Add info in post 28 to your item #8 in list
I don't think this angle goes anywhere. I'm an amateur fan of typography, having worked with it years ago.
IIRC, Times New Roman, named after the standard typeface used by the New York Times, was created for (by?) the newspaper in the early 1900s.
I'm sure somebody can dig up the full scoop.
Flash:
Nevermind: here's the full scoop. October 3, 1932 was first use.
Well, all of freeper repeaterville has it now Though I saw it first on powerlineblog.com Yes, there were other fonts available for insert into the ball-type typewriters. The issue here (as I understand it) is that the documents are not produced in a unispace font (like courier), but a font with different spacing for different letters (the little "i" is narrower than the capital "O", etc) like the popular Times Roman fonts. It was theoretically possible (something called a varitype machine), but highly difficult to produce something like this document - and would never be done on a personal memo. The memos are also on 8.5x11" stock when the military standard was 8x10.5 And the memo actually has the smaller font-size "th" in a couple places ("187th") - which was not possible on ANY typewriter in 1973. In short, they conclude it was produced on a modern word processor, not a 1970's typewriter. And the author is not around to verify them (dead). Now, I have NOT seen the documents yet and don't know how much (or any) of this is true. Merely the accusation.... But it does concern me. If they are forgeries - the election is likely over.
Col. Killian died a long time ago. There is no conceivable reason he would have been keeping a unique file on fairly trivial personnel issues concerning a junior officer about to leave the service. If there are NOT hundreds of comparable Killian memos on assorted routine business matters, something is wrong.
FWIW, I don't believe these documents are forged, mainly because it would be incredibly reckless to pull a stunt like that on what is, at bottom, still a triviality.
The blog says it is smaller. So to accomplish it you would have to roll the platten up and replace the ball - then type two letters and replace the ball again and roll it back down. I've found a source that says proportional fonts were possible, but hasn't found THE font involved yet (I've seen it now, it sure looks like a member of the Times Roman family) as being available for the Selectric. None of the other documents from that command (of those that were released) indicate anything like this was in use though. I now begin to worry a tad.
Jesse... Jesse...dat you?
Who'da thought, Jesse Jackass, a FReeper!
Just got online and saw these posts--wow! How desperate are the democRATS? Where's the link for freeping CBS and letting them know their ruse didn't work? These guys need to hear from a lot...a lot of folks letting them know they've been exposed and whatever credibility they had is completely gone.
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