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Note that AP is claiming all four memos, including the two obviously faked later ones, came from the White House. I'd previously read that only two of the memos came from the White House, and the other two were mysteriously obtained by CBS. Is AP lying again?
1 posted on 09/09/2004 12:42:26 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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It is what is known as a "half truth"... CBS provided the WH with copies of the docs one day before the story aired. The WH then released these same docs after the story aired.


2 posted on 09/09/2004 12:44:20 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com/)
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AP is lying. The Whitehouse didn't have the Killian documents.


3 posted on 09/09/2004 12:45:36 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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"Is AP lying again?"

From what I have been hearing all day, it would appear that they are. The "memos" as I understand it, were allegedly from Killiam's personal file and were "obtained" by CBS which faxed copies to the WH prior to airing the hit piece on Bush. The WH merely released with CBS sent them if I have followed this correctly.


4 posted on 09/09/2004 12:46:06 PM PDT by Bahbah
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Yeah, the odds of the WH providing CBS with damaging forged memoes is ZERO.


5 posted on 09/09/2004 12:46:12 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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Here comes "Selectragate"


7 posted on 09/09/2004 12:47:02 PM PDT by frog_jerk_2004
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Did Hays write this report?


8 posted on 09/09/2004 12:47:19 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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All I can say to AP is BOOOO BOOOO BOOOOOOO and you can quote me...


12 posted on 09/09/2004 12:49:30 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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They are spinnig as fast as they can. In the wake of the revelation these documents are fake they think they can spin it into a negative for the White House. Somebody please explain to me why the White House would knowingly release fake documents that hurt the President? This is becoming ludicrous.


13 posted on 09/09/2004 12:49:34 PM PDT by Arkie2
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The memos were faxed to the White House the day before they were released.


15 posted on 09/09/2004 12:49:40 PM PDT by Jaysun (The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action)
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Its a non-story. When is AP going to demand Kerrys records. How can a news organisation be this partisan and get away with it?


16 posted on 09/09/2004 12:50:00 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I aint wrong, I aint sorry , and I am probably going to do it again.)
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OH MY! I just got home and haven't even bothered to turn on the tube, BUT tuned in to FR...WHAT'S GOING ON?!! When I left the house this morning the pressWHORES were crowing like roosters in heat, about some memos that were going to sink W...and now I read FAKES...WOW! WHAT'S GOING ON?! Please fill me in!
17 posted on 09/09/2004 12:50:10 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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You see?! I just KNEW it would be Bush's fault!!!


20 posted on 09/09/2004 12:51:36 PM PDT by Hatteras
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Isn't is funny that it is an AP/Boston Globe collaboration??


22 posted on 09/09/2004 12:51:54 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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Here's the deal:

1.) CBS claims to have retrieved the docs from Col. Killian's "personal" files as opposed to his official personnel files.

2.) CBS sends copies to the WH prior to the airing last to offer a chance for comment.

3.) Docs turn out to be forgeries.

4.) AP in a further effort to embarass the Prez, and aid the now seriously flagging Kerry campaign, announces that it got it the docs from the WH which may true...They conveniently omit the fact that the WH has given them copies of what they were handed by CBS.

You could not make this sh*t up if you tried!!!

-Toonces


28 posted on 09/09/2004 12:54:54 PM PDT by Toonces T. Cat (The Token Republican in Deep South Texas...)
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MSNBC did the same thing this morning describing the Killian memos as coming from the Whitehouse....


37 posted on 09/09/2004 12:56:51 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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Yep, they're lying.

This is the PDF of the 'originals', on the AP web site, at http://wid.ap.org/documents/bush/040908xfer.pdf. Look at the top of each page. Think the White House faxes documents with a letterhead that says 'CBS NEWS'?

41 posted on 09/09/2004 12:58:12 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (www.swiftvets.com: where the truth lives on, after 35 years of Kerry lies.)
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Who has declared these memos to be forgeries? Freepers, or some official source?


42 posted on 09/09/2004 12:58:18 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Right Wing Professor; Petronski

IT'S A LIE:

From the Washington Post this morning:

Documents obtained by the CBS News program "60 Minutes" shed new light on one of the most controversial episodes in Bush's military service, when he abruptly stopped flying and moved from Texas to Alabama to work on a political campaign. The documents include a memo from Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, ordering Bush "to be suspended from flight status for failure to perform" to U.S. Air Force and National Guard standards and failure to take his annual physical "as ordered."

The new documents surfaced as the Bush administration released for the first time the president's personal flight logs, which have been the focus of repeated archival searches and Freedom of Information Act requests dating to the 2000 presidential campaign. The logs show that Bush stopped flying in April 1972 after accumulating more than 570 hours of flight time between 1969 and 1972, much of it on an F-102 interceptor jet.

--snip--

A spokeswoman for "60 Minutes," Kelli Edwards, declined to say exactly how the new documents were obtained other than that CBS News understood they had been taken from Killian's "personal office file." In addition to the order to Bush to report for a physical, the documents include various memos from Killian describing his conversations with Bush and other National Guard officers about Bush's attempts to secure a transfer to Alabama. Killian died in 1984.

Also, from Powerline:

Kevin Drum:
UPDATE: I now have copies of the memos the White House released, and they are just versions that CBS faxed to the White House the day before the 60 Minutes segment aired. There's no indication that the White House had its own copies of these memos and had been sitting on them.

Apologies.

Source.


44 posted on 09/09/2004 12:59:25 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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Judy Woodruff right now going on and on and on about Bush's suspicious military record. Doesn't anyone tell her what's going on?


56 posted on 09/09/2004 1:02:36 PM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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The WH releasing damaging FORGED documents doesn't make sense to me. If you're going to forge a document it would be something to make yourself look better, right?


57 posted on 09/09/2004 1:02:50 PM PDT by pnz1
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