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ANG Docs are Fake
Hank All-American | September 9, 2004 | Hank All-American

Posted on 09/09/2004 12:16:21 PM PDT by Hank All-American

Okay, guys and gals. As a former Air Force officer and special agent for the Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI), I have reviewed the documents released by CBS and can say with a high degree of confidence they are fake.

1--the month in a military date is always three letters. August is spelled out.

2--no one issues an "order" through a "memo." Maybe a letter, but nothing as informal as a "memo."

3--the signature (initials) of Lt. Col. Killian is clearly a cut-and-paste job. The last letter ("K") is cut off at the top, where two lines start to curve toward each other in a loop. Impossible to to do by hand. This signature was cut from another document and pasted or taped on the document.

4--No letterhead. Do you really think commanders typed out a the squadron on every letter? No. Letterhead was used.

5--No way there were superscripts back then. No way. Even if it was theoretically possible (which it wasn't), the national guard isn't exactly an early-adopter of technology. This ability wasn't even available at any price for several years.

Conclusion. I think they're fake. As a lawyer, I can also tell you this kind of thing is far more common than people think.


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To: Hank All-American
Also even if he didn't use letterhead, there were general type Air Force ( ANG ) forms with form numbers this memo should have been typed on if it was official.
41 posted on 09/09/2004 12:34:06 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult ("I hate going to places like Austin and Dubuque to raise large sums of money. But I have to," Kerry)
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To: Hank All-American
BTW, if you want to see these documents tomorrow, don't count on CBS keeping the PDF on their server. Back them up now...
42 posted on 09/09/2004 12:35:05 PM PDT by bondjamesbond
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To: Hank All-American

How do we get this into the MSM? You'd think at least ABC & NBC would jump on this to pound CBS. We'll see.


43 posted on 09/09/2004 12:35:36 PM PDT by BillyCrockett
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To: bondjamesbond

Woah, check LGF: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12526


44 posted on 09/09/2004 12:36:11 PM PDT by ajwharton
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To: Hank All-American

Also check out the two different '3's in the 'AFM 35-13' portion of the document. One 3 is obviously different than the other. If it were typed, or even done on with a computer; Why would one 3 be diffent than the other?


45 posted on 09/09/2004 12:38:03 PM PDT by jerod
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To: Hank All-American

I posted this question on another thread, but how were corrections made? Is this before auto-correct on typewriters? It's unlikely these were typed with no mistakes isn't it?


46 posted on 09/09/2004 12:38:47 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: hflynn

If it was "Cut OFF" at the top it could have been at least Jewish....


47 posted on 09/09/2004 12:41:32 PM PDT by Red Badger (Kerry can't run on his record, so George Bush is going to.....)
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To: Hank All-American

While I hope you know what you're talking about, why don't you know that Lt. Col is always written " LTC "?


48 posted on 09/09/2004 12:42:11 PM PDT by YaYa123 (@But What Do I Know?com)
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To: cwiz24
Can anyone tell me what a proportional spaced font is?

The next time you post anything on FR, look at the "Your Reply" window, which you type in and the "If you posted your comment as-is, it would look like" preview window. The window you type in is evenly spaced. The preview window uses proportional fonts.

Try typing iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.

See how long that string looks like in the typing window and how short it is in the preview window? Pretty cool, huh?

The dead givaway that something is in even spaced fonts is the "i", the "j" and the "m". The narrow letters have these big, honkin' serifs whose only job is to take up space. The "m", OTOH, is so bunched up it is hard to read.

49 posted on 09/09/2004 12:42:46 PM PDT by bondjamesbond
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To: Hank All-American
Reading this reminds me of the tactics used by the Communists to distort reality and present lies as truth. Somehow, given the morally bankrupt state of many in the Democratic party this comes as no surprise anymore.

They should prosecute these bastards and give them some JAIL TIME to think twice before trying to do this kind of political assassinations ever again. Time of America to stand up and expose these LIARS and DECEIVERS for the scum they truly are.

DESPICABLE!!!
50 posted on 09/09/2004 12:43:06 PM PDT by ezfindit (OrthodoxNet.com - Shining the Light of Wisdom and Truth)
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To: Hank All-American

Maybe the same stupid person faked John Kerry's medals documents, unaware that they weren't awarding V's for valor.
LOL.


51 posted on 09/09/2004 12:45:32 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Brilliant

We've still got a lot of September to get through, B. I can't wait until Nov 3rd; I so damned tired of all this slimy liberal-demokkkRAT crap.


52 posted on 09/09/2004 12:46:14 PM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: Hank All-American
The typed out "August" alerted me to a military truism.

Whenever possible and sometimes when not very possible always, always take a shortcut.

Military orders are generally full of shortcuts. JAN, FEB, MAR, APR, MAY, JUN, JUL, AUG, SEP, OCT, NOV, DEC were all the months.

"Off WP" instead of "officer will proceed" never "you will go" or "you will proceed".

"AR NLT" instead of "arrive not later than" or "arrive no later than" the memo actually has "not later than" and then (NLT) in parentheses. WHY?

Lastly - Rank was always ASAP(As Short As Possible) 1st Lieut, nope, it was always 1LT.

Oh, and lest we forget. National Guard units were always the ugly stepchildren of the military and getting hand-me-downs, not top of the line typewriters, especially since no one above the rank of buck Sargent ever typed anything longer than a brief "Reply by Endorsement."

These documents look to be the work of someone who had a couple of years or ROTC and quit before advanced ROTC because he realized he had to be in more than a couple of years to make 5 stars.

At best they are the work of a fresh recruit to the TANG and LTC Killian was not a man who knew how to constructively chew ass.

53 posted on 09/09/2004 12:46:46 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kerry Kool-Aid: Changes flavors with every sip. Being Wrong is better than being F'n Wrong.)
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To: cwiz24

A proportional spaced font is one, like the most generally used Times New Roman, where the amount of horizontal space taken by each letter varies depending on the width of that letter. For example, a "W" is much wider than an "l" in a proportionally spaced font. A monospaced font, like Curier, deliberately makes the size of each letter the same.

Proportionally spaced fonts therefore allow printers to put more words on a line because the narrow letters are narrow and the wide letters are wide. Proporrtional spacing was very hard to put into typewriters because the gears that drove the machines would havee to be designed to provide different horizontal spacing depending on which letter the typist struck. Thus, it was much easier and vastly less expensive to make each of the letters the same horizontal size so the typewriter would only have to use a space of the same size as each letter key was stuck.

All of changed with computers, lazer, and ink jet printers, all of which easily do this with software, instead of mechanically.


54 posted on 09/09/2004 12:46:51 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: bondjamesbond; reed13; OSHA; HardStarboard; Hank All-American

Thanks you guys for the typesetting tutorial. Much appreciated and it makes following this whole forgery story easier.


55 posted on 09/09/2004 12:47:46 PM PDT by cwiz24
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To: struwwelpeter
Never mind if you've served in the military - anyone who was around back then (including me) could tell you that NO TYPED LETTER looked like this in 1972. Having missed the 60 Minutes story last night (I decided not to risk losing IQ points), I was genuinely shocked to see this garbage being passed off as fact. If this letter is real, then so is Santa Claus' naughty/nice list.
56 posted on 09/09/2004 12:47:52 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Hank All-American
Hank, call up FoxNews, talk to the news desk or one of the shows, assert your credentials (be ready to back them up) and offer to demonstrate your points on national TV.
57 posted on 09/09/2004 12:48:42 PM PDT by taxcontrol (People are entitled to their opinion - no matter how wrong it is.)
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To: ajwharton; Howlin

OK. I've become a believer. Howlin, I will never again accuse anyone on FreeRepublic of mindlessly babbling.


58 posted on 09/09/2004 12:48:58 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: YaYa123

I don't specifically recall that being the case (that LTC was the only abbreviation for Lt. Colonel) in the Air Force. I'm not saying it wasn't. I just don't recall. The use of "1st Lt." as an abbreviation likewise did not jump out at me as being a strong indicator, even though 1Lt does seem more appropriate. I tried to limit my points to just a few that I thought were enough to conclude the document I specifically reviewed--the "01 August 1972" memorandum--was fake. I think it is.


59 posted on 09/09/2004 12:49:49 PM PDT by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: Hank All-American
Bush "Memos" Seem Faked
60 posted on 09/09/2004 12:51:21 PM PDT by pabianice
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