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New Questions On Bush Guard Duty [CBS USES FORGERIES TO SMEAR THE PRESIDENT!!!!!]
CBS ^ | 9/10/04 | Staff

Posted on 09/09/2004 7:33:57 AM PDT by TastyManatees

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To: SheLion
In the end, it is going to be good for a few laughs! :) Hasn't done too bad for laughs now either.
561 posted on 09/09/2004 11:59:15 AM PDT by MistyCA
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To: falcon1966

So? Do we write/call CBS and say these documents look to have been faked?

Should we all e-mail the examples of the signatures to CBS and say "even a blind man could tell the difference...who is your expert?"

How did CBS come by these documents? Tell us your source!

We need to put pressure on them to justify their documents.


562 posted on 09/09/2004 12:00:06 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: finnman69

Amazing. I will ask my younger son, the Photoshop wizard, to try this himself.


564 posted on 09/09/2004 12:01:05 PM PDT by CobaltBlue
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To: MineralMan
Did it have curly apostrophe's?

It would have had to have two -- for single quotes. And two for full quotes, one beginning and one ending.

565 posted on 09/09/2004 12:01:18 PM PDT by maryz
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To: rocklobster11
Forgers, like counterfeiters, should check their work.

(see start of paragraph 2)
566 posted on 09/09/2004 12:02:38 PM PDT by CedarDave (USCG Vietnam vet to DC from NM on 9/12 for the "Kerry Lied...While Good Men Died" rally. Join us!)
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To: All
CSN News has a piece on it, now. Here's their expert:
"It was highly out of the ordinary for an organization, even the Air Force, to have proportional-spaced fonts for someone to work with," said Allan Haley, director of words and letters at Agfa Monotype in Wilmington, Mass. "I'm suspect in that I did work for the U.S. Army as late as the late 1980s and early 1990s and the Army was still using [fixed-pitch typeface] Courier."

567 posted on 09/09/2004 12:02:45 PM PDT by TastyManatees (http://www.tastymanatees.com)
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To: TastyManatees

Where was that despicable, self aggrandizing, lying, backstabbing, seditious traitor with a huge Walter Mitty complex - Hanoi John Kerry - during his time as an officer in our Navy's active reserve?
He was too busy committing sedition by meeting with North Vietnamese officials in France and Canada, too busy committing treason by giving aid and comfort to the enemy as spokesman for the VVAW to attend any drills.


568 posted on 09/09/2004 12:03:20 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: TastyManatees

"O.K., that's step one. Now, does anyone know or can anyone point to instructions on how the Executive worked? If it was a giant pain, like the Composer, it would be very unlikely that anyone in Bush's Guard office sat around all day typing memos to their personal files with it. However, if the proportional spacing was incredibly easy to use, then the documents would be more likely to be authentic.
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I don't have a manual, but I did use the Executive. Proportional printing was automatic. You just typed. Now, if you wanted to justify, you had to type the document twice, and figure out where to put the spacing so the lines would end in the same place. That was a pain. But typing this memo would have been just like typing it on any other typewriter.


569 posted on 09/09/2004 12:04:03 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: shezza

My husband was in the AirForce and he said 1st was never used to his knowledge. He believed it should be 1Lt. or 1/Lt. In most of the documents it seems to be 1Lt.


570 posted on 09/09/2004 12:04:54 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: shezza

Thanks, btw. I appreciate your input. :)


571 posted on 09/09/2004 12:05:43 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: CedarDave

thanks. I found another copy where he corrected the typo.


572 posted on 09/09/2004 12:05:45 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
FWIW, when I was in the Army, memos and forms would be dated 4 May 1972 never, ever, "04 May 1972". The leading zero on the date is very suspicous to me. Anyone else smell a rat, or is just me?

We NEVER used a leading zero while I was in the Air Force. More signs of a forgery.

573 posted on 09/09/2004 12:06:13 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: The G Man

Killian has the "y" from "Jerry" be the starting point for the "K" in "Killian." That's what gives the long diagonal part of his "K" its particular curvature: it started from the lower left. In the signature over the proportional font, it looks like it was written starting from the upper right. It is concave upwards, like it's trying to reach the vertical line, rather than get away from it as in the first sample. Another reason is probably started in the upper right corner is that it is directly connected to the other diagonal line.

The first signature looks more efficient too. I wonder if he did the 'V' part of the "K" as part of "Jerry," then did the "c" first before completing the "K." In the second one, it's mostly a blob, but the starting point for the second part of the "K" is so much farther away. Besides, the second signature looks like it's squeezed together to fit the proportional font. I wonder why that one doesn't have "TexANC" underneath it either.

574 posted on 09/09/2004 12:06:29 PM PDT by Styria
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To: TastyManatees

Perhaps someone else picked up on this, but in case they didn't, DID THEY HAVE ZIP CODES IN 1972? The letters all have a zip code at the top. I don't remember zip codes that far back.


575 posted on 09/09/2004 12:07:16 PM PDT by pie_eater
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To: cyncooper

Simple Question:

Who is the Source for these memos?

When tracking down art forgeries, they speak of
"provenance". Who had these documents and what files are they supposed to be from?


576 posted on 09/09/2004 12:07:39 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: MineralMan
You should call CNS News. Their experts say the "golf ball" typewriter (the IBM Selectric Composer) was the only one to do this at the time, they cost $20,000, and they weren't widely used.

"The experts also raised questions about the military's typewriter technology three decades ago. Collins said word processors that could produce proportional-sized fonts cost upwards of $20,000 at the time.

"I'm not real sure that you would have that kind of sophistication in the office of a flight inspector in the United States government," Showker said.

"The only thing it could be, possibly, is an IBM golf ball typewriter, which came out around the early to middle 1970s," Haley said. "Those did have proportional fonts on them. But they weren't widely used."

577 posted on 09/09/2004 12:08:25 PM PDT by TastyManatees (http://www.tastymanatees.com)
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To: OHelix

I believe the documents in question are justified text (force fit on the line). It has been noted in the thread that the technology to do that probably wasn't readily available at that time.


578 posted on 09/09/2004 12:08:37 PM PDT by MistyCA
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To: CobaltBlue

I don't recall ever seeing a curly apostrophe from a typewriter.

I think the Selectric balls had different symbols that you could choose. Mine used to have a curly apostrophe because I hated the straight single quote.


579 posted on 09/09/2004 12:09:40 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: MistyCA

If I were a soccer mom, I would be ashamed to not think for one's self. Soccer Moms WAKE UP! Your being used by the libs to make you look stupid.


580 posted on 09/09/2004 12:09:42 PM PDT by JFC
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