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Perhaps, as shoddy and mendacious as Kerry’s behavior is, the behavior of our ultra-liberal media is worse. Everything above (and a lot more) is available to the media. All the facts, documents and theory in the above is available to every investigative reporter in the nation. The above process should have long ago been followed by the media. It is unfortunate that most of the traditional media are far too interested in electing Kerry to bother with doing any fact finding or reporting of information that might dissuade the electorate, present the truth, or call on Kerry to do what they’d expect of the next applicant for the most menial job on their staff, to be honest and candid.
1 posted on 09/08/2004 7:44:22 AM PDT by Tacis
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You're trying to make too much stew with one oyster.


37 posted on 09/08/2004 8:25:37 AM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws....SMILE!)
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Kerry's contract expired in 1972, yet his discharge is dated 1978. There is clearly something being hidden here.

What is Kerry Hiding?

38 posted on 09/08/2004 8:27:21 AM PDT by pabianice
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Total nonsense based on nothing and filled with inaccurate information. This helps no one.

We know Kerry was issued a DD 214 in March 1970 even though his military obligation wasn’t supposed to end until March, 1972, a total of about 6 years (there is an issue of whether his agreed upon total obligation was 6 or 6.5 years). It may be they “turned him loose.” We also know that Kerry received a discharge in March, 1978 but have not seen any associated DD 214.

Wrong. You receive a DD 214 when released from active duty.

Here’s my hypothesis. Kerry did not turn bad without reason. Just as Benedict Arnold turned bad when he did not receive the recognition he felt he deserved, so to, I believe, did Kerry respond to some slight, real or imagined by the Navy. His true record will show, I believe, some action/inaction by the Navy (passed over for promotion/assignment?), then his request to be released to run for Congress, the 3/70 DD 214 and transfer to the inactive reserve, and then, in 1970, 1971 or 1972, a bad conduct discharge (or “Big Chicken Dinner” as one respondent described it). Maybe, it was a bad “spin” number, but then that would not explain the seemingly strange dates and 12 year period of military service.

You are making something up out of whole cloth. Kerry was transferred into the Inactive Standby Reserves on July 1, 1972. The Navy convenes boards to decide who should be retained in the Standby Reserves and who to let go with an honorable discharge. I know from personal experience. I resigned my commission and was released from active duty in 1972. I received my honorable discharge in 1978 dated Feb 16, the same date as Kerry's.

I agree Kerry should authorize release his service records, but not for the reasons cited by you.

40 posted on 09/08/2004 8:34:30 AM PDT by kabar
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Kerry signed this peace treaty while in the Naval Researve. Carter had to pardon him.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209454/posts?page=59#59

Not only was Kerry IN Paris. Kerry was a signer of the“People’s Peace Treaty.” A “people’s” declaration to end the war, drawnup in communist East Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from VietCong peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditionsfor ending the war

The People's Peace Treaty

BETWEEN THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, SOUTH VIETNAM & NORTH VIETNAM

Be it known that the American and Vietnamese people are not enemies. The war is carried out in the names of the people of the United States and South Vietnam but without our consent. It destroys the land and people of Vietnam. It drains America of its resources, its youth and its honor.

We hereby agree to end the war on the following terms, so that both peoples can live under the joy of independence and can devote themselves to building a society based on human equality and respect for the earth. In rejecting the war we also reject all forms of racism and discrimination against people based on color, class, sex, national origin and ethnic grouping which forms the basis of the war policies, present and past, of the United States.

1. The Americans agree to immediate and total withdrawal from Vietnam, and publicly to set the date by which all U.S. military forces will be removed.

2. The Vietnamese pledge that as soon as the U.S. government publicly sets a date for total withdrawal, they will enter discussions to secure the release of all American prisoners, including pilots captured while bombing North Vietnam.

3. There will be an immediate case-fire between U.S. forces and those led by the Provisional Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam.

4. They will enter discussions on the procedures to guarantee the safety of all withdrawing troops.

5. The Americans pledge to end the imposition of Thieu, Ky and Khiem on the people of South Vietnam in order to insure their right to self-determination, and so that all political prisoners can be released.

6. The Vietnamese pledge to form a provisional coalition government to organize democratic elections. All parties agree to respect the results of elections in which all South Vietnamese can participate freely without the presence of any foreign troops.

7. The South Vietnamese pledge to enter discussion of procedures to guarantee the safety and political freedom of those South Vietnamese who have collaborated with the U.S. or with the U.S.-supported regime.

8. The Americans and Vietnamese agree to respect the independence, peace and neutrality of Laos and Cambodia in accord with the 1954 and 1962 Geneva conventions, and not to interfere in the internal affairs of these two countries.

9. Upon these points of agreement, we pledge to end the war and resolve all other questions in the spirit of self-determination and mutual respect for the independence and political freedom of the people of Vietnam and the United States.

By ratifying this agreement, we pledge to take whatever actions are appropriate to implement the terms of this Joint Treaty of Peace, and to insure its acceptance by the government of the United States.

South Vietnam National Student Union

South Vietnam Liberation Student Union

North Vietnam Student Union

National Student Association

Saigon, Hanoi and Paris, December 1970

Signed: Amongst others, John F. Kerry!

Adopted by New University Conference and Chicago Movement Meeting, January 8-10, 1971


41 posted on 09/08/2004 8:37:55 AM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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Interesting theory.
The date has me intrigued - 1977.
Kerry's own website states he was discharged in 1978, which was surprise for everyone, leading the kool-aid drinker to believe the theory (without overtly lying) that he was in the Reserves (even though no record exists of him ever serving the minimum requirements of two weeks a year, one week-end a month.
This is something that should be followed up.


52 posted on 09/08/2004 9:16:57 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Zealous Troll Hunter - and you know who you are - you've been warned.)
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We know Kerry was issued a DD 214 in March 1970 even though his military obligation wasn’t supposed to end until March, 1972,

You receive a DD-214 when released from active duty, EAS, not when your obligation is over, EOS.

Your entire post is a waste of bandwidth. You want Kerrys records, file a FOIA request.

59 posted on 09/08/2004 10:06:39 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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Interesting!!!


62 posted on 09/08/2004 10:17:40 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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Bump for more attention!


67 posted on 09/24/2004 8:15:45 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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